alrite guys, i just got my gt2860rs turbo and spearco intercooler plus everything else. all i need now is the wastegate. which wastegate should i get, the tial 38mm one or the 44mm one. i'm planning on boosting 8 psi on my stock gsr block in my eg hatch. it's just gonna be a daily driver and then play with it sometimes when i see some evo's.

 

i went by "if you are running low boost, run a 44mm gate to dump a higher amount of exhaust faster. if you are running high boost, run a 38mm gate because they have less chances of dumping more exhaust than a 44mm, thus holding higher boost levels"

not necessarily what everyone else goes by but i am running 17lbs on a 38mm with no problems. most people do run 44mm with high boost levels too. if i were running as little as 8psi, i would run a 44mm and only get a 38mm to save funds.

 

thanks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM turbo DC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i went by "if you are running low boost, run a 44mm gate to dump a higher amount of exhaust faster. if you are running high boost, run a 38mm gate because they have less chances of dumping more exhaust than a 44mm, thus holding higher boost levels"

not necessarily what everyone else goes by but i am running 17lbs on a 38mm with no problems. most people do run 44mm with high boost levels too. if i were running as little as 8psi, i would run a 44mm and only get a 38mm to save funds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wait, what? ...thats so wrong, the op will be fine with a 38mm, a 44mm for an 8psi setup is a HUGE waste of money!! your logic is flawed greatly.

 

you're fine with a 38mm

 

38mm v-band, yeah!!!!

 

alrite, so i guess a 38mm would be fine, how much boost can i go up to though?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">38mm v-band, yeah!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

joke right? they dont really make those do they?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lilo_goki &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alrite, so i guess a 38mm would be fine, how much boost can i go up to though?</TD></TR></TABLE>

depends on manifold design... i have done cars with 400whp using Tial 38, i have seen as high as 510whp with a Tial 38 but that was on an evo with the WG right on the turbine housing.

 

i'm gonna be using either the peakboost manifold or full-race ramhorn manifold.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lilo_goki &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm gonna be using either the peakboost manifold or full-race ramhorn manifold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ramhorn's make damn good power but they do like to creep a bit, i have a Tial 44mm on mine and it creeps by 2-4 but its so consistent its tuned for the creep and it all works out great. I ran a Tial 44 because thats what my mani was flanged for, if yours is flanged for a 38 then run a 38, 290whp is nothing, the creep will help you get there start with a .5 bar spring, that should be enough cause you will probably creep to 9-10 which should be enough for 290whp.

 

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wait, what? ...thats so wrong, the op will be fine with a 38mm, a 44mm for an 8psi setup is a HUGE waste of money!! your logic is flawed greatly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, well it made sense to me at the time and i didnt want to spend the extra money for a 44mm. currently running a 38mm @17psi, making 476whp with no problems here. that and a electronic boost controller making sure i dont spike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

joke right? they dont really make those do they?
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yes, we do...should be out late fall if all goes well
it's the MV-S, it's replacing the current 38mm

 

wow, thats a really nice compairison shot!

it's way smaller!!

 

FINALLY!!!!! Beautiful! the size difference is insane!

 

ahhh how cute! lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TiAL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
yes, we do...should be out late fall if all goes well
it's the MV-S, it's replacing the current 38mm</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats definitely going to get manifold-making companies to start making new designs and make it possible to run full-size radiators rather than the 1/2 sized radiators. I assume the springs are a lot smaller for that gate because last time i checked, the spring out of my 38mm is huge (bigger than the gate itself)

to tial, first the "Q" BOV and now this, Tial is coming up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM turbo DC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thats definitely going to get manifold-making companies to start making new designs and make it possible to run full-size radiators rather than the 1/2 sized radiators. I assume the springs are a lot smaller for that gate because last time i checked, the spring out of my 38mm is huge (bigger than the gate itself)

to tial, first the "Q" BOV and now this, Tial is coming up </TD></TR></TABLE>
should be a LOT easier...we are canning the port on top and sticking with only the one you see coming off the back in the first image - which can be rotated 6 different ways to position the air fitting where you want it.

there are 3 bottom ports for ease of use, two plugs will be provided to block the two unused ports off

the best part, the way it's designed now makes it impossible to pinch the diaphragm.

the springs are much smaller, the high bar pressures there will be as many as 3 springs in the gate (highest pressure offered will be 1.7bar) the springs also have there own seating area on the inside so they can not slip or move around

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TiAL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
should be a LOT easier...we are canning the port on top and sticking with only the one you see coming off the back in the first image - which can be rotated 6 different ways to position the air fitting where you want it.

there are 3 bottom ports for ease of use, two plugs will be provided to block the two unused ports off

the best part, the way it's designed now makes it impossible to pinch the diaphragm.

the springs are much smaller, the high bar pressures there will be as many as 3 springs in the gate (highest pressure offered will be 1.7bar) the springs also have there own seating area on the inside so they can not slip or move around</TD></TR></TABLE>

impressive. if you need some more test subjects for the new design, let me know. all i need is a couple of adapters and i can drive myself up to Churchs for the tune. since i am running a electric boost controller (Turbosmart Eboost2), i would test the design requiring 2 ports. I wouldn't mind being sponsored.

 

Its just a little guy!! I like that you can make things more compact while still retaining performance.

Tial

 

EDIT: tial nice work i like it.

is the V-band flange the same size as the 44mm if so thats awesome if not thats a waste of money for the guys who already have xxx manifold with xxx WG flange

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM turbo DC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thats definitely going to get manifold-making companies to start making new designs and make it possible to run full-size radiators rather than the 1/2 sized radiators. I assume the springs are a lot smaller for that gate because last time i checked, the spring out of my 38mm is huge (bigger than the gate itself)

to tial, first the "Q" BOV and now this, Tial is coming up </TD></TR></TABLE>

f*uck radiator sizes i want my damn A/C i cant stand 80-100% humidity plus 93 an higher temperature and then rain on top of that

 

sick gate. any price estimate for them

 

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f*uck radiator sizes i want my damn A/C i cant stand 80-100% humidity plus 93 an higher temperature and then rain on top of that </TD></TR></TABLE>

well the wastegate size doesn't effect whether you keep AC or not, its the positioning of your turbo. The design to keep AC is already within its limits. For me, DCs come with full-size radiators and i had to switch to a half-size radiator. The half-size radiator does cool just as well but i would love to run a full size radiator.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM turbo DC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

well the wastegate size doesn't effect whether you keep AC or not, its the positioning of your turbo. The design to keep AC is already within its limits. For me, DCs come with full-size radiators and i had to switch to a half-size radiator. The half-size radiator does cool just as well but i would love to run a full size radiator.</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually WG can decide if you retain A/C or manifold design can decide if you keep A/C.

i want to use a mini-ram BUT the WG position makes the WG hit the condensor fan, yes i could get the A/C friendly mni-ram but the performance and the extra cost just are not worth it.

if i run a AFI bottom mount the WG position is still the issue, if the WG were smaller and V-band that would help. so i give tial a 's on making this product

JDM turbo just so you know its not always manifold but sometimes WG position.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EDIT: tial nice work i like it.

is the V-band flange the same size as the 44mm if so thats awesome if not thats a waste of money for the guys who already have xxx manifold with xxx WG flange</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'm sure 3rd party's will make adapters, but this will be a new v-band, not the 44mm

flanges and clamps will be included with this unit