building complete head over the winter, suggestions on cams?
car is used for: 1/4 weekend racing / daily driving
goal: 200whp ish 13.5 on street tires
what its at now: 14.4 street tires 14.1 slicks (cold track) 180whp 137trq
engine: JDM B18C type r 98spec
whats done to it:
exedy stage 2 clutch
8lb flywheel
skunk2 intake manifold (pro series)
skunk2 68mm TB (pos sticks grr lol)
AEM V2 CAI
megan 4-1 header
no cat
apexi n1 catback 2.25
obd1 converted + tuned by nick @ teknotik
and all suspension is done

i might PNP the head aswell but im not sure yet!
iv heard mixed things about skunk2 pro 2's in a type r
and iv also SEEN mixed reviews online about buddy club cams in a type r
my block will be stock however i plan to get flat faced valves and maybe a thinner head gasket to raise my CR
i was set on buddy club spec 3+'s then i saw that the 4's out performed them so i was set on that but then i was told that BOTH 3+ and 4 is to big for my type r.
so help me out as i dont know anything about lift and all that crap thanks

 

Your not Tatoo are you? EG hatch with a cage. I was at DMT on thursday and nick was tuning a car with that set up.

 

ahahha no but i know who ur talking about he was there drinkin sum beer when i finished getting dyno tuned hahah i drive a ek tho...


NEW QUESTION!
building the block bringin my CR to 12.5 pro cons? stock head btw, safety things i should get? head studs?

 

Is this in a hatch? You should be running 13.5s with that much power in a hatch on slicks. My coupe does 14.1s on zeixs with far less power and not perfectly driven. Sounds like you need some seat time.
And get rid of v2 intake it doesn't work. And I would personally invest in better header and better exhaust you should be able to put down like 195 with this motor without opening it up internally.

 

Out of the cams you listed, S2S2.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this in a hatch? You should be running 13.5s with that much power in a hatch on slicks. My coupe does 14.1s on zeixs with far less power and not perfectly driven. Sounds like you need some seat time.
And get rid of v2 intake it doesn't work. And I would personally invest in better header and better exhaust you should be able to put down like 195 with this motor without opening it up internally.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no its in a 00 sir
weighs 2550 without me in the car. removing back half of interior and ac ps cruise next summer.

building the block but leaving the head stock good or bad or does it matter? gains? i wanna go to 12.5 CR thanks

 

Just run stock bottom end. Take the head off and port it. Mill the head a little, and run any type of mild cam you desire with valve springs. Get a new header, bigger exhaust and just regular 3" intake and you will be fine. It's been done a million times so all you have to is search.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Out of the cams you listed, S2S2.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you please elaborate on your suggestion?

 

I know a b16 on bc3+ that made 175whp with bolt ons without valve springs or any internal work so I wouldn't say that bc3+ are too big for an R motor

 

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Can you please elaborate on your suggestion? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope.

 

OP that 2.25" catback is killing your power.

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Nope.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Wow, that's a positive response.

 

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Nope.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know that picture of old dirty bastard in your avatar is very fitting of your expression when you give people your opinion on cams. If you can't back up your statement, please don't say anything. Give us one reason why the s2s2 cam is better suited for this setup.

 

....AAAAND here you go again. When are you people, if ever, gonna learn?

"Chillinit" - <U>read this:</U> https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2393282 I refuse to repeat myself. Have a nice day.

 

Repeat yourself? I just read that whole thread and, although it was very entertaining, there was no techinical data that you stated.

ANYWAY, mar778c hit the nail on the head. Regardless of what cam you choose (s2p2 excluded), your gains will be marginal considering your current exhaust diameter. It needs to be increased.

What is the intended use? Daily/Drag/Roadracing? All these factors need to be taken into consideration when making a decision on cams. My personal preference, is a cam that will provide the most usable powerband given that I'm not into drag racing. I'm usually daily driving or at a lapping event. Therefore, a cam with a larger primary is better suited for my application. I am a fan of the Buddyclub cam selection considering I have experience with both BC3+'s and 4's. G/L with your selection.

 

Once again, you have completely failed to recognize my point...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Once again, you have completely failed to recognize my point...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Honestly, what is your point? Maybe I missed it while reading through that thread.

 

Read it again then - or as many times as it takes you to understand it.

 

I just re-read the thread. All I see is one post with you confirming and I quote

"Yes. A type r head is a type r head."

Did something get deleted somewhere?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nope.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">....AAAAND here you go again. When are you people, if ever, gonna learn?

"Chillinit" - <U>read this:</U> https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2393282 I refuse to repeat myself. Have a nice day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Please dont repeat your self, I like reading threads with out you in them.

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CleanSiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">building complete head over the winter, suggestions on cams?
car is used for: 1/4 weekend racing / daily driving
goal: 200whp ish 13.5 on street tires
what its at now: 14.4 street tires 14.1 slicks (cold track) 180whp 137trq
engine: JDM B18C type r 98spec
whats done to it:
exedy stage 2 clutch
8lb flywheel
skunk2 intake manifold (pro series)
skunk2 68mm TB (pos sticks grr lol)
AEM V2 CAI
megan 4-1 header
no cat
apexi n1 catback 2.25
obd1 converted + tuned by nick @ teknotik
and all suspension is done

i might PNP the head aswell but im not sure yet!
iv heard mixed things about skunk2 pro 2's in a type r
and iv also SEEN mixed reviews online about buddy club cams in a type r
my block will be stock however i plan to get flat faced valves and maybe a thinner head gasket to raise my CR
i was set on buddy club spec 3+'s then i saw that the 4's out performed them so i was set on that but then i was told that BOTH 3+ and 4 is to big for my type r.
so help me out as i dont know anything about lift and all that crap thanks
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The BC3+'s stop making power around 7700rpms, they're good on a very very basic build and will not suit a build that requires a rev range higher then 8500rpms.
The BCIV's in my opinon are too big of a cam, these are in the ranges of the pro1/2's area and i dont believe with the setup you have now, you wont make what you should with these cams..
That being said..
The s2s2's which is what i run, teamD and another few people on here, have had great results.
These cams give the vtec lobes that are big enough to support the revs, but able to keep a semi stock idea and low/midrange is very well improved. Basically a tad bit smaller then the pro1's primaries. I use these and they stop making power for me around 8700rpms. Your compression is around what you should be using for a stage2 cams..
The buddy club cams really aren't a good cam in general, unless you have a higher compression and very good flowing head, the 4/5's are a really big *** cam to be honest.

You have a sucky exhaust, and a sucky intake, and i dont see you going into your bottem end anytime soon..
BC3+'s or the s2s2's will be your best bet, but the skunk2 stage2's will bend the BC3+'s over all day..

 

Why everyone hating on clean rice's grill
y0 heard?