This was posted in the RSX forum:

Can anybody confirm or deny this please?

I'm thinking it's BS but don't have facts / numbers to prove it. It is my understanding (from Best M0t0ring Videos as well as Mr. Sp00n himself that this is not true.

 

I have some vids of 2 DC2R's vs. 2 DC5R's on a Japanese circuit and the 2 DC2R's finished ahead. Links are floating around the board somewhere.

 

in stock form (as in the BM vdo) - probably the DC5

lightly mod'd (also in the BM vdo) - DC2 kicks on ***

 

Even if the DC5R does beat the DC2R, i have not read one review that said the DC5R was more fun to drive than the DC2R. Remember, this car is 7 years newer. It should be faster in stock form. So stop worrying about the DC5R and enjoy driving your current car.

 

My current car is an '84 Supra .

My ITR was "borrowed" from me in March.

Fuggin theives!

 

in the US i would not even worry about the DC5R coming over in its JDM form.

 

I keep thinking of the quote under the model specific forums for RSX: "from altezza installs to revving on unsuspecting drivers"..

John: who thinks no matter what the "stats" say likes the DC2-R much better...

 

93 prelude vs. 2000 prelude .....

 

DC2R handles better than a Type-S.......... thats all I can say..... so both cars are pretty equal

 

A friend of mine showed me a video, not sure when he got it from, 2 DC2-R's and a DC5-R, the DC5-R was stock for the most part except some suspension parts, and for the other DC2's one was from spoon, they other was from Jun, and another was from some other japanise performance company, they all had lowerd FD ratio's, and the DC5-R came out in second. Im not sure how tuned the DC2's were but Im guessing if that DC5-R was turned as much, and w/ a lower FD, it could easily take the DC2's. It was a japanise film also. Also Ive heard that the DC5-R was made as an R first and then detuned for lower models too, not sure if thats true or not, but I've heard it too...


[Modified by DAorEGMike, 5:40 PM 7/24/2002]

 

As for the first part, I've heard people say that the stock rubber on the DC5R is reason enough for it to be 1 second faster around the track. I wonder if they were both fitted with the same tires which one would come out on top? No idea on the second comment, but that doesn't seem to be the way things are usually done.

 

man, why would i BS? I dont own an RSX. I'm rollin on a DC2 platform, not DC5! I got no reason to BS, it is just what the guy in charge of developement of the DC5 said in Best Motoring Video. I see no reason for them to lie about the origin of the car. (R first, then detuned) About it being faster on the circuit? Maybe they would lie... but the weight of the car is from a more rigid chassis. More rigid chassis is better for handling more power and better for handling.

now as other people said, dont worry about the car being better than a car thats been around for so long. its the same company, you would hope that they can improve upon the design... if not, then we should all lose hope in Honda completely. why not? Mr. Honda has passed away, I wouldnt be surprised if the company starts to go downhill. Sad? Yes.

I too would like to see some facts on this new platform. I'm hoping it is better. But from how I see the new engines respond to modifications, I am sure that the new car will be something. (even a Type S or Base models)

 

j00 all needs to relax.

I was simply asking for information....facts or even opinions.

I am worried about nothing when it comes to this subject. I don't even have my ITR (god rest her soul) anymore.

 

OK OK OK. Lets kill some urban legends here.

1. 2 dc2r's vs 2 dc5r's.

This race was an easy win for the dc2's, because they were a heck of alot more developed than the dc5. Example, the DC2's dynoed at 192 and 195whp, the dc5's at 184 and 187. The dc2's were also 100kg's lighter, and had 7 years of development behind them.

Fact.

2. DC5 1 Second Quicker around Tsukuba Stock.

Thats a Fact. End of story. How, anyones guess, but it _is_ quicker.

3. DC5R on a 1/4 mile is quicker than the DC2.

By .3 seconds. Fact.

4. Personal opinion vs Fact

if you need "other peoples opinions" that will decide weather you want to buy a car or not, then you will never be happy. If you do not want opinions because of a need to buy, then I can only image 2 outcomes, you are seeking some disclosure to all the crap floating round, or you are trolling.

Either way, I hope this shuts a few people up.

 

**** facts.

It's all driver man. These cars are all pretty much in the same envelope of performance. 1 second means absolutely nothing. There is no statistical difference even if you ran each car around the track 100 times and averaged the lap times - because most tracks are more than 1 minute in length.

1/60secx100 = 0.6% <---jack squat difference

 

sorry !


[Modified by 01-1214, 11:37 PM 7/26/2002]

 

is there a part 3?

 

don't you guys love how our car's platform is over 5 years old and still kick'n ***?

 

easy. post those videos on the RSX form, and the guy will know who is bullsh@ting.

 

Sorry for wasting anyones times with my opinion, but I cant resist.
Some people have some well waranted points concerning this subject (phat bastard,ect...)

Someone mentioned the Type R is not coming to america, which is true. The RSX type S is what where talking about here, because the DC5 type R can NOT be purchased in America.

The type S is an American sedan; no Brembos (Front calipers are smaller than the DC2- Type S:261.6mm, Type R:300mm). It weighs 85kg more than the DC5 Type R and 175Kg more than the JDM '96 DC2 Type R. and 4th gear is set higher (Type S:1.147, Type R:1.212)

These are only some of the note worthy differences, there are many.

 

Don't forget that the DC5R has 20 hp more than the DC2R. That could be the reason why it's 1 sec. faster on the Tsubuka track.

 

and better torque placement.

 

Oh really??? I guess when they decided to build the ultimate fwd R model car first, they just had to use struts




[Modified by jond, 7:41 AM 7/25/2002]

 

Two things, well, three:

1) I work for an auto company and the high performance version is not built/designed first then "detuned." What I believe took place is that the chassis upgrades of the DC2 Platform were fully incorporated within the manufacturing and assy capabilities so no body stiffeners and other costly additions/subtractions would be needed. I also believe that body torsion and bending needs were incorporated into the base car as well. So, to a point I understand where one might believe that it was an "ITR" before it was an Integra. Not really true.

2) NOT ONE SINGLE MAGAZINE in Europe or Australia has had stellar things to say about the DC5R when compared to the DC2R. The biggest complaint: lame steering feedback.

3) I have a co-worker who is a strident domestic car enthusiast who has a very close friend who works in Marysville, OH Honda facility. His buddy loaned him his RSX Type S for a couple of hours last Tuesday night and he thrashed the hell out of the car. He's now a Dark Side convert. At any rate, his buddy confided in him that the Type R "is supposed to arrive sometime next year". Take it for what it's worth.

 

Car mags from Europe are great but the ones here are aweful. I think they're bias against Honda.

Honda is generally very underrated over here.

But besides that, i would take a JDM DC5R over a DC2R any day.. i'd probably even take an AUSDM DC5R over mine.