dissapointment with tunning
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dissapointment with tunning
I have b18c5 block with ctr pistons std.Type r head,supertech valve springs and retainers,skunk2 pros1 cams and toda cam gears,345CC INJECTORS,skunk2 pro intake manifold,65mm trottlebody,replica hytech headers big tube,2.5 exhaust,s300,pump gas 93 tunning.
191WHP
128 TORQUE
What you think guys?
191WHP
128 TORQUE
What you think guys?
Re: dissapointment with tunning (crx-b18c)
1. Post your dyno chart with air fuel log.
2. Complete a leak down test and compression test.
3. Post up a screen shot of your s300 .skl or the file it's self.
4. What were your cam gears at? Are they degreed in properly using a degree wheel fixture ?
2. Complete a leak down test and compression test.
3. Post up a screen shot of your s300 .skl or the file it's self.
4. What were your cam gears at? Are they degreed in properly using a degree wheel fixture ?
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compression numbers seem low for a 12.7+ CR motor..
i'm at 11.8~12.0 and i'm doing 290 across the board.
Your compression is around 12.7+ c5 block with c5crank/rods using CTR pistons on a type-r head with a oem 3layer HG and only spinning rpms to 8k, This isn't taking into consideration the compression thats bleed off and how much you have had your head or block decked.
i'm at 11.8~12.0 and i'm doing 290 across the board.
Your compression is around 12.7+ c5 block with c5crank/rods using CTR pistons on a type-r head with a oem 3layer HG and only spinning rpms to 8k, This isn't taking into consideration the compression thats bleed off and how much you have had your head or block decked.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx-b18c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">block is stoch and head just resurface</TD></TR></TABLE>
Cams degreed?
Gears fooled with?
AFR at wot?
what exhaust.. what dyno who was the tuner..?
as i said.. CR numbers look "ok" not what i'd expect out of a 12.7CR motor tho.
Cams degreed?
Gears fooled with?
AFR at wot?
what exhaust.. what dyno who was the tuner..?
as i said.. CR numbers look "ok" not what i'd expect out of a 12.7CR motor tho.
Re: dissapointment with tunning (DonF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you did good, tossing a bunch of different parts together, and getting it to run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (mar778c)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As in lego-building? I do not see anything that screams this if that is what you guys are referring too,could you go into further detail?
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As in lego-building? I do not see anything that screams this if that is what you guys are referring too,could you go into further detail?
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (Dark@Powers)
Sure, find anything that matches in the first post. Cam and valve train, NO. Pistons and head, NO. TB and intake manifold, NO. Headers and cams, NO. Headers and displacement, NO. Good deal on E-bay, yes.
Re: dissapointment with tunning (Dark@Powers)
Don summed it up nicely. His induction and pistons are not matched.
For good builds, search under b19coupe, Tbone, runnerdown, or D-rob. Those are the 1st that come to mind.
Or see Rollo Lawson or see my post on the last page of the allmotor dyno thread
For good builds, search under b19coupe, Tbone, runnerdown, or D-rob. Those are the 1st that come to mind.
Or see Rollo Lawson or see my post on the last page of the allmotor dyno thread
Re: dissapointment with tunning (crx-b18c)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx-b18c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don what i need replace because everything is no from ebay</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would say the pistons and header.
I would say the pistons and header.
Re: dissapointment with tunning (VtecKiDD)
WHY IS IT THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T MAKE 200WHP OUT OF A 1.8 LITER BUILD, THEY COMPLAIN. Ya know what - I KNOW what your problem is. It's your CAMSHAFTS!! Put some BC17's in there and you'll make 230hp!
Seriously, I SWEAR people use the 200 mark as a **** measuring tool.
Seriously, I SWEAR people use the 200 mark as a **** measuring tool.
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> WHY IS IT THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T MAKE 200WHP OUT OF A 1.8 LITER BUILD, THEY COMPLAIN. Ya know what - I KNOW what your problem is. It's your CAMSHAFTS!! Put some BC17's in there and you'll make 230hp!
Seriously, I SWEAR people use the 200 mark as a **** measuring tool. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Silly goose, they don't make bc17s
Seriously, I SWEAR people use the 200 mark as a **** measuring tool. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Silly goose, they don't make bc17s
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (BMo Tuning)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Silly goose, they don't make bc17s </TD></TR></TABLE>Only the BC16
Silly goose, they don't make bc17s
</TD></TR></TABLE>Only the BC16
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (mar778c)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don is always right its just a shame that internet people still dont listen to the right people
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Regards Uncle Dave
Unfortunately, Don is right about tossing a bunch of different parts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don is always right its just a shame that internet people still dont listen to the right people
. Regards Uncle Dave
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (crx-b18c)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx-b18c »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
191WHP
128 TORQUE
What you think guys?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats really good power to the wheels its gotta be fast as hell
191WHP
128 TORQUE
What you think guys?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats really good power to the wheels its gotta be fast as hell
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (crx-b18c)
What type of intake did you use? I see you have a Skunk2 intake manifold, but the airbox itself...
Also, with that compression ratio, I'd definitely run bigger lobed camshafts (that's probably hurting you the most). Stage 2s or even stage 3s would put out some larger gains.
Go ahead and open the throttle body up and see IF you can see your intake manifold's intake port. If you can see an O and aren't directly looking into your intake runners, then you're definitely not seeing the gain of your 65mm throttle body.
What did the motor redline at? and was it tuned for RACE performance or FUEL consumption?
Also, with that compression ratio, I'd definitely run bigger lobed camshafts (that's probably hurting you the most). Stage 2s or even stage 3s would put out some larger gains.
Go ahead and open the throttle body up and see IF you can see your intake manifold's intake port. If you can see an O and aren't directly looking into your intake runners, then you're definitely not seeing the gain of your 65mm throttle body.
What did the motor redline at? and was it tuned for RACE performance or FUEL consumption?
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Re: dissapointment with tunning (kpop)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kpop »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock usdm itr are around 188hp and 135tq
im tuning my 2000 usdm with high end header and 68mm tb with s200 tomarrow ill let u know</TD></TR></TABLE>
and you wont make anywhere near the numbers you just suggested..
Stock itrs on a dynojet put down around 160~177ish whp
On a dynodynamics try around 163 , i know stock, i put down those numbers and my motor was very..very healthy
and if you do post graph i'd like to see some AFR numbers and tuning numbers.
im tuning my 2000 usdm with high end header and 68mm tb with s200 tomarrow ill let u know</TD></TR></TABLE>
and you wont make anywhere near the numbers you just suggested..
Stock itrs on a dynojet put down around 160~177ish whp
On a dynodynamics try around 163 , i know stock, i put down those numbers and my motor was very..very healthy
and if you do post graph i'd like to see some AFR numbers and tuning numbers.