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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 06:21 AM
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Do I get new springs and shocks or a sway bar first ? Sway bar is lots cheaper, My goal is to eliminate the killer understeer which plagues my Si.

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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 06:31 AM
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springs and shocks
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:24 AM
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reasons?
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:30 AM
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get urathane
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:37 AM
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If it's going on the si in your sig., then like DragII said, springs and shocks.

If it had no factory sway bars I'd say get them first.
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:46 AM
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My goal is to cut down/eliminate my Si's understeer. Do springs/shocks do that or do they just cut body roll?? Also, am i correct in assuming that a Neuspeed rear sway will help with my understeer prob??


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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 07:56 AM
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Springs and struts
Reason - they are the basis of any good suspension set-up


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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:11 AM
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I don't suppose that the stock si spring/shocks are good enough to leave alone for the moment? Or do they HAVE to come before the sway bar?
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:14 AM
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Your right. An adjustable rear sway bar will help with your understeer. Also, sway bars help more with body roll than springs/shocks.

Springs and shocks help with:
lowering center of gravity and getting an appropriate rebound and damper setting for your cars application (track, daily driven, etc.) Note: stiffer springs will help help with body roll, but with the loss of a comfortable ride.

No, the springs don't have to come before the rear sway bar. If the understeer is bothering you then go for a thick rear sway bar.

IMO: tires play the biggest role in any suspension system.


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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:18 AM
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Is 19 mm thick enough for non race setup. I'm looking at the neuspeed bar.


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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 08:33 AM
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One more thing... do i have to worry about tearing the subframe with the neuspeed bar since it's not re-inforced like the Comptech one? And do the bushings need to be replaced every year on Sway-bars or just the Comptech one?
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 09:03 AM
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The 19mm might be thick enough. If it is adjustable then you could set it for stiffer or softer depend on how it feels. Unfortunately I don't have any first hand experience.

I wouldn't worry about the reinforcements. For the bushings: I'd just put some teflon tape around the bar and a little grease before I installed the bushing and mount. This should keep it squeak free and prolong the life of the bushing.
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 09:19 AM
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One more thing... do i have to worry about tearing the subframe with the neuspeed bar since it's not re-inforced like the Comptech one? And do the bushings need to be replaced every year on Sway-bars or just the Comptech one?
with 19mm i don't think you need to worry about tearing the subframe
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 12:33 PM
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So how long should the bushings last if i'm not racing?
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Old Jul 23, 2002 | 12:39 PM
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Lower the front a bit. That will give you oversteer.

Putting on harder rear springs kinda eliminates the need for a sawy bar.
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