im building a motor out of leftover used parts from other setups i have done , and just wanted to see if anyone is making power with that setup.

i plan on milling the head .020 and using a thin gasket.
ls crank and rods.
gsr pistons.
arp rod bolts.
new bearings and rings.
typeR water and oil pump.
and a custom header.

any thoughts?

note* not spending any money at all on this.


Modified by MR.johnson at 9:16 AM 8/13/2008

 

wow no one? sweet.

 

i would use b16 pistons its higher cr and they are the same bore size and i would run a cometic head gasket also and if u run the type r oil pump and gsr water pump you will need a gsr timing belt as well this is the exact set up i am running

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9tegra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would use b16 pistons its higher cr and they are the same bore size and i would run a cometic head gasket also and if u run the type r oil pump and gsr water pump you will need a gsr timing belt as well this is the exact set up i am running </TD></TR></TABLE>

like i said... im not spending ANY money on this. ha.

all stuff i have laying around.
what are you making for numbers?

 

havent dynoed it yet i am debating on a new head

 

im in process of using the ls crank and rods with the b16b pistons for my da.

 

GSR pistons would be a waste. Why mill the head when you dont have to, and i would never run a thin headgasket.

Just run B16 pistons, get you to a nice mid 11s in compression, leave the head alone and run an OEM headgasket.

But if you want to build a motor out of junk lying around, id still only mill the head, dont ever run a thin headgasket.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kevinhite06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im in process of using the ls crank and rods with the b16b pistons for my da.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do know that is like 13.0:1 compression with a VTEC head right? B16B or CTR pistons only belong in 1 motor, a B16

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You do know that is like 13.0:1 compression with a VTEC head right? B16B or CTR pistons only belong in 1 motor, a B16</TD></TR></TABLE>

daily driver here on 93 octane....LS/VTEC CTR pistons....and HONDATA of course..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by groundzerocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

daily driver here on 93 octane....LS/VTEC CTR pistons....and HONDATA of course.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lucky you. we only got 91 octane here in california

 

its actually 11.4:1 compression

 

Quote, originally posted by kevinhite06 »
im in process of using the ls crank and rods with the b16b pistons for my da.


You do know that is like 13.0:1 compression with a VTEC head right? B16B or CTR pistons only belong in 1 motor, a B16

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kevinhite06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its actually 11.4:1 compression</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kevinhite06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its actually 11.4:1 compression</TD></TR></TABLE>

If hes using an LS head, sure. If hes using ANY VTEC head its 13:0:1

 

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daily driver here on 93 octane....LS/VTEC CTR pistons....and HONDATA of course.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats cool, itll blow up soon.

Are you using a GSR head? if you are, i bet you $100 when it does blow up, it spins a bearing and rips the wrist pin out of the piston.

How much timing did you have to pull to make it no ping on 93 octane

 

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Thats cool, itll blow up soon.

Are you using a GSR head? if you are, i bet you $100 when it does blow up, it spins a bearing and rips the wrist pin out of the piston.

How much timing did you have to pull to make it no ping on 93 octane</TD></TR></TABLE>

my friends LSV has ctr pistons gsr head and has around 30000 miles on it...
sorry buddy.

EDIT: heres the car. http://www.hondamarketplace.co...52074

 

congrats, he needed 13:1 compression to make 170whp. Hes running a THICKER HEADER GASKET so hes got more clearance. Read please

This **** has been covered 1000000000 times. CTR pistons dont make power. and they are dangerous in any motor but a CTR

Love that POSITIVE DECK HEIGHT!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">congrats, he needed 13:1 compression to make 170whp. Hes running a THICKER HEADER GASKET so hes got more clearance. Read please

This **** has been covered 1000000000 times. CTR pistons dont make power. and they are dangerous in any motor but a CTR

Love that POSITIVE DECK HEIGHT!

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i've had great results with CTR pistons..

LS vtec. 25 over CTR pistons, B16 head, Skunk2 cams, 190 whp on Dynojet. stock head, stock intake mani.

Pump Socal 91 octane tuned by Chris at whitfield racing.

done numerous others with great results.

seen many others run VERY good with CTR pistons..

Ive seen many blow up... from running untuned, and built by people who don't know what they are doing..

the ones that are tuned and built right that i've seen run very strong..

but hey thats just what i've done and seen..

use them if you want... or don't...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">congrats, he needed 13:1 compression to make 170whp. Hes running a THICKER HEADER GASKET so hes got more clearance. Read please
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I run the RS machine ITR clones and I got 199 whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If hes using an LS head, sure. If hes using ANY VTEC head its 13:0:1

</TD></TR></TABLE> i am using an ls head.....

 

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I run the RS machine ITR clones and I got 199 whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ITR not the same as CTR

 

That's ridiculous. Any motor but a CTR? B16B is a B16A with different moving parts. Blaming blow-ups on a piston is like blaming a bank for having all the money to be robbed. There are so many factors in a blow up, and nine times out of ten, OE pistons will last longer than forged pistons. Back in 2001, I had a B18A1 block, PCT pistons on LS rods with a GS-R head, tuned on a V-AFC with factory fuel pump and injectors that kept the all-motor honda record in Colorado for four years. I would bounce it off the P72 rev limiter at the tree and bust off 1.7 60' times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">congrats, he needed 13:1 compression to make 170whp. Hes running a THICKER HEADER GASKET so hes got more clearance. Read please

This **** has been covered 1000000000 times. CTR pistons dont make power. and they are dangerous in any motor but a CTR

Love that POSITIVE DECK HEIGHT!
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And how many engines have you built with ctr pistons?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

ITR not the same as CTR</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damnit VtecKiDD, I know that. I'm trying to show this guy you can get really good results with without sky high compression. Any way I'm with you.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quik Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and nine times out of ten, OE pistons will last longer than forged pistons. </TD></TR></TABLE>


How is a OE piston capable of out lasting a forged piston under the same conditions? A forged piston has mutliple times the strength of a cast piston.

 

Why would anyone argue.. its been proven ctr pistons are horrible, specially for the combustion process.. holy crapp why argue because you make power and your boy makes power doesn't mean its the correct way..

 

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my friends LSV has ctr pistons gsr head and has around 30000 miles on it...
sorry buddy.

EDIT: heres the car. http://www.hondamarketplace.co...52074</TD></TR></TABLE>

And your boy has nothing to support 10k rpms rev making power maybe he made power until 8900 rpms and reved it to 10k to be cool stock gsr cams stop making power around 7800rpms..

 

why argue with them marc.. its ..just..