well my buddy had b20vtec assembled recently by a local machine shop, and no matter what it was leaking loads of oil out the head gasket, 4 head gaskets and 2 cylinder heads later it became obvious it was the block. We pull the motor out and take the assembled shortblock back to the machine shop as they said they would take care of the problem and deck it.

We pick up the motor today and the a*holes decked the block with the pistons in there, that cant be ok? I've never heard of that, surely metal shavings can get into the clearances and damage the cylinder walls and rings cant they?

specs:
-b20 shortblock
-forged 11.0 pistons and eagle rods
-engine has less than 150 miles on it

cliffs: machine shop decked the block with the pistons in it, is that bad?

 

not only that usually when the deck it dont the spray a cooling liquid on there that cant be good for the bearings

 

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seriously, god i hope someone is going to say this is not a big deal, my friend has had the worse luck with this motor

 

Don't worry it's not a big deal Do you know how to assemble a motor... if so just tear the motor down, clean it up, and then put it back together


Modified by Colt Seavers at 9:23 AM 8/13/2008

 

why didnt yal tear it down before yal took it to the shop?

 

I hope it's not a "automotive machine shop" cause if it is, What the F@ck! they should have known better. As long as the pistons didn't get touched, then take block apart and clean thoroughly, best of luck.

 

liveforphysics would have just pulled the head off the block in the car and decked the block with a belt sander.

 

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didnt ya know precision isnt needed

 

So did you expect the shop to breakdown, and re build the entire shortblock?
I would think that would be something that was discussed with them PRIOR to you leaving the shop. . . But hey I'm just using common sense here . . .

 

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I would think that would be something that was discussed with them PRIOR to you leaving the shop. . . But hey I'm just using common sense here . . .

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i thought common sense was disassembling the shortblock before decking

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it was an automotive machine shop

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cause there the ones that effed up, we already put 4 headgaskets on the damn motor thinking it was the cylinder head, we figured the least they can do is take it apart and put it back together for us, there the ones who put the motor together in the first place and decking the block was part of the original deal.

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funny you say that, we did that today and discovered they never installed the Eagle rods they where supposed to so today we cleaned we took it apart and cleaned everything up, tomorrow new bearings, the forged rods go in and it all gets buttoned back up, I AM NEVER GOING BACK THERE!!!

 

How do you know THEY didnt disassemble it and then reassemble it?

 

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we had a phone conversation that went like this:

-blinx9900: so you guys did disassemble the block before decking it right?
-machine shop guy: yeah... umm no, but don't worry it should be fine
-blinx9900: shocked and speechless

a friend picked it up for me, i called dude afterwards cause it didn't appear that it was disassembled.

 

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i thought common sense was disassembling the shortblock before decking
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Common sense would be you clearing that up before leaving the block there

 

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Common sense would be you clearing that up before leaving the block there </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Common sense would be you clearing that up before leaving the block there </TD></TR></TABLE>

so when you go places you usually tell them how to do there job?
-When you go to a restraunt and order a drink you dont make sure it comes with ice do you?
-if your order a cheeseburger do you ask if it comes with cheese?

come on man, stop being a effing *****! Common sense says the a**hole removes the pistons prior to decking!

 

I'm not trying to be a ***** man. . .

No you dont tell people how to do their jobs, but its pretty clear to me that they already screwed up once so why would you trust them to do it right a second time? If it was me , it would make sense to have everything PERFECTLY clear before i even let them touch it a second time.

Whats done is done so your right, me telling you what you SHOULD have done is not going to help you at this point. . . .

Why risk the motor a second time for just a few hours of disassemble/assembly work. . .

Good luck breaking it down

 

That's appaling...
I SUPPOSE they couldve "stuffed the cylinders with rags" but really its not good practice.
http://www.justiceracingengines.com/&lt;&lt;&lt;Wouldn't trust anyone else.

 

what shop was this?

 

and how did yal come to tyhe conclusion it was the block? did you check it? or assume? also since its a b20/ls/vtec engine, is the vtec oil feed on the head correctly block?

 

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No you dont tell people how to do their jobs, but its pretty clear to me that they already screwed up once so why would you trust them to do it right a second time? If it was me , it would make sense to have everything PERFECTLY clear before i even let them touch it a second time.

Whats done is done so your right, me telling you what you SHOULD have done is not going to help you at this point. . . .

Why risk the motor a second time for just a few hours of disassemble/assembly work. . .

Good luck breaking it down
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Place is called Jesse's

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yeah head was good, we even took a second head off another lsvtec car that was NOT leaking and put it on this car to be sure and that leaked too.

 

where is the oil leaking from?

 

Chuck Norris could of done a better job then the machine shop.

 

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with this much oil comming out its really hard to tell but its between the block and head pretty much around the whole motor!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fat Chick Magnet &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Chuck Norris could of done a better job then the machine shop.</TD></TR></TABLE>
with his eye's closed, a gun shoot wound in his right arm and in a viatnamese jail! chuck can do anything!

 

you can actually get the shavings out, it just takes time,brake cleaner and a air gun you can get the shavings out of the cylinders.

it would just be easier to tear it apart and check.

are yal sure that the headgasket is going on the right way? i think it would be pretty hard to get the block to become that out of straightness to cause a leak across the whole deck.

 

were the heads skimmed?

 

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thats the plan and already been done

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"n-word" please, i been doing this car thing for 8 years headgasket is like a 2 hour job for me and thats not just on honda's. But to your credit i have never seen a block that bad either... im guessing he may have actually messed it up when he decked it the first time...

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absolutely, we even swapped heads, and the one that was leaking on this car did not leak on another car so its not the head.