Well i am posting this to see if there is any true believers in what a honda engine can do...
I have a mini me swap in a 93 civic SI, currently dyno tuned at 128 hp 111 ft/lbs of torque. My plan was originally to start saving for a swap but after quite a few people saying thats all i'll get i've decided to go for it all.
My engine is currently running a y8 head zc block with 12.6 to 1 compression. All stock internals, stock valvetrain with just a few bolt ons.
So my question is is there anyone who believes i can acheive 200 hp?
Cause i know i can, it's a honda engine, anythings possible.

 

Possible? Anything is possible.
Financially worth it? No.

 

+1

 

it better be possible! i've got one in the works right now. sohc, non-vtec, nat. aspirated, daily driver (unless gas gets too bad...) the goal is 200hp, 170lb. ft...

you'll need some tricks to do it. but yeah, it's possible.

 

Its possible, i will be doing an all motor sohc engine one day.

 

Sorry guy's but, why? With that much money spent on 200hp you could have twice that with a turbo set.

Are you trying to build the car for a road racing class?

 

a $2,000 budget isn't that much for 200hp including some transmission upgrades and only 45k mi. on the engine

 

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Are you saying that your budget for your 200hp d-series is $2000?

 

a good cam,valves,valve springs retainers, porting,and a few hours of GOOD tuning and there is you $2000 hope you got that limited edition jdm d16y9al-2s41 block with the 14:1 compresion

 

14:1?

 

Head work alone can easily burn through half of that $2000.

 

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if you think 14:1 is you should check out the d16.5y6gr-13
its like 15:1 and its got the variable piston electronic control(VPEC) that's the ****, it only has 9:1 compression until VPEC kicks in then the compression raise to 15:1
but hell that aint even streetable only mad tight jayDm underground street racers have that setup!!!!!

 

what the hell are you talking about?

if that was an attempt at a joke.. you've failed.

 

it wasn't a joke it was sarcasm

 

why bother building an all motor single cam? They arent as responsive to mods and you will be spending just as much cash as you would starting with a B series platform....just my 02. i agree with most of everyone in here tho.. its possible.. just not practical or worthwhile i should say....

 

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Why bother building an all motor b-series? You would be better off starting with a V8.

 

that would truly be a pyrrhic victory. good luck with it.

 

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Wow that's ignorant.

I love the B series, and I love the SOHC stuff too.

SOHC are amazingly responsive to mods because they were engineered for gas mileage more than performance. you've obviously never seen or driven the gains on a D16A6 with a good cam, or a raise in CR, have you? IMO it's harder to show big gains on B series engines because they are already more optimized for performance to begin with.

I built myself a very mild D16A6 years ago and that engine would literally run dead even with my wife's 143whp B16A2. My engine was only a mild 11:1CR stock head, cam, with only other mods being 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 DC header.

Now will the OP get 200whp out of $2,000.00 on a D series?

IMO hell no.

Anyways the "why bother modding a SOHC?" can easily be countered with:

Why bother modding a B, when you can have a K? Why bother modding Hondas when you can have an inline 6 turbo Supra, or RB26DETT?

See where that takes you? It's a slippery slope, isn't it?

 

It's totally possible, yeah it's gonna be expensive but you can still probably do it for cheaper than most b swaps...just do some more research, head work is a big deal on na motors and sohc can be made to flow better than dohc so start there, lightweight internals on the bottom end including lightweight flywheel which will free up rotating mass which equals hp and more useable hp and you can still up that compression a bit too when you do the lightweight internals. This actually sounds like a fun project maybe I'll go make a 200hp sohc too!
Good Luck!

 

If you want 200whp on a single cam better step your game up to a F series engine

 

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Wow that's ignorant.

I love the B series, and I love the SOHC stuff too.

SOHC are amazingly responsive to mods because they were engineered for gas mileage more than performance. you've obviously never seen or driven the gains on a D16A6 with a good cam, or a raise in CR, have you? IMO it's harder to show big gains on B series engines because they are already more optimized for performance to begin with.

I built myself a very mild D16A6 years ago and that engine would literally run dead even with my wife's 143whp B16A2. My engine was only a mild 11:1CR stock head, cam, with only other mods being 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 DC header.

Now will the OP get 200whp out of $2,000.00 on a D series?

IMO hell no.

Anyways the "why bother modding a SOHC?" can easily be countered with:

Why bother modding a B, when you can have a K? Why bother modding Hondas when you can have an inline 6 turbo Supra, or RB26DETT?

See where that takes you? It's a slippery slope, isn't it?

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The original poster said and I quote " Is there any one thinks I can achieve this, I know I can its a honda motor"


Now with that said, he knows what hes capable of doing. Its obvious it CAN be done, but Its just going to cost more money in the longhaul than hes willing to put out.... from what i see ($2k) My 95 ex was obviously a dseries at one point too, and all motor for that matter. I struggled for every last bit of power i could put out of that thing, and I got absolutely nothing from my own experience. and i put quite a bit of money into that too.

Now you say im ignorant because I brought up building up a dseries...This is not the case. Building an all motor dseries isnt worth the money IMO, however going boost is more practical for the power hes looking for.. Which is what I would have suggested in the first place had he not said he wanted to be all motor.



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oh yeah let me buy a V8 so I can pay $5.00 gallon here in CA... Not practical enough for me. Im already making 182hp, and 141tq with my current setup and still get 35 mpg... I wouldnt touch a V8 if my life depended on it. Theres no way im paying that much on gas to drive a car thats not me... period.


Modified by Thateguhate at 6:50 AM 8/8/2008

 

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Wow that's ignorant.

I love the B series, and I love the SOHC stuff too.

SOHC are amazingly responsive to mods because they were engineered for gas mileage more than performance. you've obviously never seen or driven the gains on a D16A6 with a good cam, or a raise in CR, have you? IMO it's harder to show big gains on B series engines because they are already more optimized for performance to begin with.

I built myself a very mild D16A6 years ago and that engine would literally run dead even with my wife's 143whp B16A2. My engine was only a mild 11:1CR stock head, cam, with only other mods being 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 DC header.

Now will the OP get 200whp out of $2,000.00 on a D series?

IMO hell no.

Anyways the "why bother modding a SOHC?" can easily be countered with:

Why bother modding a B, when you can have a K? Why bother modding Hondas when you can have an inline 6 turbo Supra, or RB26DETT?

See where that takes you? It's a slippery slope, isn't it?

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thank you.

save the sohc.
by the way my buddy had an EF hatch with a 1.6 and a gude head package, IHE, etc. and that car was nasty. it ran 9.40's all day in the 1/8. never knew how much power he was making.

 

I hope so because I have a jdm d15b that I would like to do all motor

 

my friends 93 hatch runs 9.20's with a stock itr motor

i have a friend with an all motor sohc and it's slow as crap....loud as hell but slow...you can hear him coming from like a city away but it doesn't go any where...it's 13:1 compression and has a comp stage 2 cam with some other head work...but i think it's all in his tune...

i personally think an all motor sohc is a waste of money...but i wouldn't do an all motor B either...i have a project hatch i'm building right now...d16z6 with a gt3076r...looking to reach close to 600whp and the head for that alone cost 1200 dollars then the intake from turbo elements with velocity stacks cost another 600 so 200 for an all motor 200whp sohc...i really don't see it happening

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TehMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my friends 93 hatch runs 9.20's with a stock itr motor

i have a friend with an all motor sohc and it's slow as crap....loud as hell but slow...you can hear him coming from like a city away but it doesn't go any where...it's 13:1 compression and has a comp stage 2 cam with some other head work...but i think it's all in his tune...

i personally think an all motor sohc is a waste of money...but i wouldn't do an all motor B either...i have a project hatch i'm building right now...d16z6 with a gt3076r...looking to reach close to 600whp and the head for that alone cost 1200 dollars then the intake from turbo elements with velocity stacks cost another 600 so 200 for an all motor 200whp sohc...i really don't see it happening</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope by close, you mean half.