Camber kit, or no camber kit?
Camber kit, or no camber kit?
Current setup:
-450/457 Ground Control coils
-Koni Yellows
-GC Extended Top Hats
I'm dumped. Camber wear is pretty bad. I've heard that toe is the killer, with regular alignments I've been told that camber is not an issue. I'm about to purchase new tires and before I do, I'd like to get some opinions...
Heres a picture for reference:
-450/457 Ground Control coils
-Koni Yellows
-GC Extended Top Hats
I'm dumped. Camber wear is pretty bad. I've heard that toe is the killer, with regular alignments I've been told that camber is not an issue. I'm about to purchase new tires and before I do, I'd like to get some opinions...
Heres a picture for reference:
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Re: (FG2-JOE)
you mean toe wear is pretty bad?
you dont need a camber kit unless you need to add more camber or if you enjoy driving on zero degress camber on all fours. just get an alignment.
you dont need a camber kit unless you need to add more camber or if you enjoy driving on zero degress camber on all fours. just get an alignment.
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ditto, alignment is all you need.
May I ask why you didn't get one when you lowered the car? Ride height changes affect both toe AND camber, and toe is what is wearing out your tires.
Oh, and folks in the Slammed thread probably would not call you dumped.
May I ask why you didn't get one when you lowered the car? Ride height changes affect both toe AND camber, and toe is what is wearing out your tires.
Oh, and folks in the Slammed thread probably would not call you dumped.
Re: (PatrickGSR94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ditto, alignment is all you need.
May I ask why you didn't get one when you lowered the car? Ride height changes affect both toe AND camber, and toe is what is wearing out your tires.
Oh, and folks in the Slammed thread probably would not call you dumped.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did get an alignment when I lowered the car. I recently hit a pot hole that did a bit of damage, and since then the wear on my tires has been significant.
And before I go drop another $450 on new tires I would like to know if I should invest in a camber kit, or just get alignments regularly.
Oh, and that slammed thread can kiss my ***. I'm dumped bitches!
May I ask why you didn't get one when you lowered the car? Ride height changes affect both toe AND camber, and toe is what is wearing out your tires.
Oh, and folks in the Slammed thread probably would not call you dumped.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I did get an alignment when I lowered the car. I recently hit a pot hole that did a bit of damage, and since then the wear on my tires has been significant.
And before I go drop another $450 on new tires I would like to know if I should invest in a camber kit, or just get alignments regularly.
Oh, and that slammed thread can kiss my ***. I'm dumped bitches!
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Re: (ferio_boy)
okay. if you do get a camber kit what do you plan on setting your camber to?
have you ever changed your tie rods? theyre considered a wear item and should be replaced ever so often.
have you ever changed your tie rods? theyre considered a wear item and should be replaced ever so often.
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Re: (ferio_boy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ferio_boy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">invest on camber kits... they work wonders... you will get better handling, gas mileage, and power... it will pay for itself...</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhhhhhh no
Please stop posting that nonsense in this thread, or any other thread.
uhhhhhh no
Please stop posting that nonsense in this thread, or any other thread.
Re: (PatrickGSR94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
uhhhhhh no
Please stop posting that nonsense in this thread, or any other thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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uhhhhhh no
Please stop posting that nonsense in this thread, or any other thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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be professional
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (Ksoulja)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ksoulja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.hondatuningmagazine....html
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One of the best articles on the subject that I've read, because it contains factual information rather than the same untrue drivel that most self proclaimed alignment "experts" continue to spew . . .
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One of the best articles on the subject that I've read, because it contains factual information rather than the same untrue drivel that most self proclaimed alignment "experts" continue to spew . . .
be professional
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (JDM_320R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_320R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">camber kit all the way, tires are easy to replace, wheel bearings are not....</TD></TR></TABLE>
That made no sense.
That made no sense.
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there's alot of debate on getting a camber kit or not, i chose to get one. Im a little under 2.5inchs all around and see nothing but even wear. You can always try it with out the camber kit and see the outcome. Its really up to you.
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (Targa250R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That made no sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ditto... I just had my factory original front wheel bearings replaced maybe a year ago, just as a preventative measure. They weren't actually bad, but they had 250K+ miles on them, and the car had been lowered for over half of those miles.
I swear some people make some of the weirdest correlations...
"being lowered (or negative camber) kills wheel bearings" - no
"being lowered kills axles" - no
"negative camber eats tires" - no
We need to stop the lies people!!
That made no sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ditto... I just had my factory original front wheel bearings replaced maybe a year ago, just as a preventative measure. They weren't actually bad, but they had 250K+ miles on them, and the car had been lowered for over half of those miles.
I swear some people make some of the weirdest correlations...
"being lowered (or negative camber) kills wheel bearings" - no
"being lowered kills axles" - no
"negative camber eats tires" - no
We need to stop the lies people!!
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (PatrickGSR94)
this should be stickied so when people come in here wondering if they should get a camber kit, we dont have to tell them 6546816546164645 times, NO.
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (yc_dc4mar)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by www.hondatuningmagazine.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If tire wear is your concern, know that camber alone is not to blame. The reality is that a bad toe setting will wear tires much faster than camber will.</TD></TR></TABLE>
people who cant read.
people who cant read. 
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Re: (Xathine)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Xathine »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I did get an alignment when I lowered the car. I recently hit a pot hole that did a bit of damage, and since then the wear on my tires has been significant.
And before I go drop another $450 on new tires I would like to know if I should invest in a camber kit, or just get alignments regularly.
Oh, and that slammed thread can kiss my ***. I'm dumped bitches!</TD></TR></TABLE>
why didnt you just get an alignment done after you hit the pothole?
I did get an alignment when I lowered the car. I recently hit a pot hole that did a bit of damage, and since then the wear on my tires has been significant.
And before I go drop another $450 on new tires I would like to know if I should invest in a camber kit, or just get alignments regularly.
Oh, and that slammed thread can kiss my ***. I'm dumped bitches!</TD></TR></TABLE>
why didnt you just get an alignment done after you hit the pothole?
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (PatrickGSR94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ditto... I just had my factory original front wheel bearings replaced maybe a year ago, just as a preventative measure. They weren't actually bad, but they had 250K+ miles on them, and the car had been lowered for over half of those miles.
I swear some people make some of the weirdest correlations...
"being lowered (or negative camber) kills wheel bearings" - no
"being lowered kills axles" - no
"negative camber eats tires" - no
We need to stop the lies people!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol...when a car is lowered a couple inches, it puts the axle in a perfectly straight plane- less stress on the CV joints = good!
I have done hundreds of alignments over the years on street cars, race cars, and modified cars.
I see MORE inner tire wear on stock height vehicles than I care to share. Scrubbing kills tires WAY faster than weight transfer(more of the vehicle weight is on the inside of the tire than the outside, when negative camber is present).
I swear people just want an excuse to not get an alignment.
And when you do FINALLY align your car, make sure it's a 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT. I see too many shops only do a front end alignment on cars
Oh, and if you're a big guy, ask to sit in the car during the alignment or bring some gym weights to simulate your presence. Trust me, an extra 250lbs in the drivers seat WILL effect your alignment
Ditto... I just had my factory original front wheel bearings replaced maybe a year ago, just as a preventative measure. They weren't actually bad, but they had 250K+ miles on them, and the car had been lowered for over half of those miles.
I swear some people make some of the weirdest correlations...
"being lowered (or negative camber) kills wheel bearings" - no
"being lowered kills axles" - no
"negative camber eats tires" - no
We need to stop the lies people!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol...when a car is lowered a couple inches, it puts the axle in a perfectly straight plane- less stress on the CV joints = good!
I have done hundreds of alignments over the years on street cars, race cars, and modified cars.
I see MORE inner tire wear on stock height vehicles than I care to share. Scrubbing kills tires WAY faster than weight transfer(more of the vehicle weight is on the inside of the tire than the outside, when negative camber is present).
I swear people just want an excuse to not get an alignment.
And when you do FINALLY align your car, make sure it's a 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT. I see too many shops only do a front end alignment on cars
Oh, and if you're a big guy, ask to sit in the car during the alignment or bring some gym weights to simulate your presence. Trust me, an extra 250lbs in the drivers seat WILL effect your alignment
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (Evs-One)
This part deserves repeating.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evs-One »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Oh, and if you're a big guy, ask to sit in the car during the alignment or bring some gym weights to simulate your presence. Trust me, an extra 250lbs in the drivers seat WILL effect your alignment </TD></TR></TABLE>
Honestly, even if you aren't that heavy, it still does make a difference, especially with soft(er) stock or lowering springs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evs-One »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Oh, and if you're a big guy, ask to sit in the car during the alignment or bring some gym weights to simulate your presence. Trust me, an extra 250lbs in the drivers seat WILL effect your alignment
</TD></TR></TABLE>Honestly, even if you aren't that heavy, it still does make a difference, especially with soft(er) stock or lowering springs.
Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (Evs-One)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda Tuning Article »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If camber kits are not necessary why are there so many available? The fact is camber kits need to be available to those who actually need them. The finer a car is tuned, the more control a driver will want to have over alignment settings. Adjustability is the key to getting dialed in. Individuals using very expensive oversized wheel/tire combinations generally strive to get every last mile out of them before replacement is needed. Fixing the camber is the only way to ensure a completely even wear on a car built for cruising. </TD></TR></TABLE>
erryone keeps sayin no do not buy one. .claiming that the wear is due to toe wear. .jus tellin him to get an alignment. .the last line kinda sums it up fo me. .so xathine if u want a camber kit buy one n then hit up an alignment shop. .n like evs said tell them to put weight in to simulate ur weight.
If camber kits are not necessary why are there so many available? The fact is camber kits need to be available to those who actually need them. The finer a car is tuned, the more control a driver will want to have over alignment settings. Adjustability is the key to getting dialed in. Individuals using very expensive oversized wheel/tire combinations generally strive to get every last mile out of them before replacement is needed. Fixing the camber is the only way to ensure a completely even wear on a car built for cruising. </TD></TR></TABLE>
erryone keeps sayin no do not buy one. .claiming that the wear is due to toe wear. .jus tellin him to get an alignment. .the last line kinda sums it up fo me. .so xathine if u want a camber kit buy one n then hit up an alignment shop. .n like evs said tell them to put weight in to simulate ur weight.
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Re: Camber kit, or no camber kit? (Egezzy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Egezzy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
erryone keeps sayin no do not buy one. .claiming that the wear is due to toe wear. .jus tellin him to get an alignment. .the last line kinda sums it up fo me. .so xathine if u want a camber kit buy one n then hit up an alignment shop. .n like evs said tell them to put weight in to simulate ur weight. </TD></TR></TABLE>
nothing is wrong with a camber kit and dialing in camber for your needs
But yeah, a camber kit will NOT cure tire wear if toe is incorrect.
erryone keeps sayin no do not buy one. .claiming that the wear is due to toe wear. .jus tellin him to get an alignment. .the last line kinda sums it up fo me. .so xathine if u want a camber kit buy one n then hit up an alignment shop. .n like evs said tell them to put weight in to simulate ur weight.
</TD></TR></TABLE>nothing is wrong with a camber kit and dialing in camber for your needs
But yeah, a camber kit will NOT cure tire wear if toe is incorrect.