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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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For the past few months my car has been having trouble going into first gear. When it eventually does go into gears, which can be a pain, the car wants to creep forward and shake a little. Going into other gears while driving is done very easily like nothing is wrong, except when trying to down shift sometimes. I have recently had the transmission apart and was able to look at the clutch and it looked fine so Im not sure if its the cause or not. I have recently had the clutch fluid changed as well. I think I was able to get all the air out but Im not positive on that but there are no bubbles popping uo in the reservoir tank so Im assuming that means there is no air in the line, right?? It could also be my master or slave cylinder as well from the research I have done on this site. So I took some pictures of both and the slave cylinder looks fine since it is going all the wait out when the clutch is fully engaged which I will show in the picture below. Also I will show the master cylinder since I have no clue what I should be looking at to see if it is the cause of the problem or not. Any enlightenment will be greatly appreciated. Also if anybody else has had this problem please chime in to let me know how they fixed this problem. Now for the pictures:

Slave cylinder with clutch engaged:


3 pictures of Master cylinder w/ clutch disengaged and engaged






Thanks a lot
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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pictures are too small. dont be afraid to post up 500px =D
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20_driven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pictures are too small. dont be afraid to post up 500px =D</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are thumbnails, click on them for the full size.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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LOLz.. my bad.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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see anything that can be wrong?
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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Try bleeding the slave cylinder.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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How's the cluth pedal feel? soft? hard?
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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which is done by hooking a tube to the end of it and placing the other end into a glass and then loosen the slave cylinder to let out some of the fluid and all of the air by pressing the clutch in and out. correct?
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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yes, sir. the nipple. do it til the pedal feel is hard or until you see a good stream of fluid coming out.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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the first little bit its soft then it gets hard but it doesnt seem as hard as it should be.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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i had a simillar problem with this. when you bleed the clutch you have to pump it alot fill in fluid or replace it
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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ok well i just went out and bought a 7 dollar bleeder kit, pretty much just a clear tube with small reservoir, waiting for the car to cool down then im going to try this.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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well I just bled the clutch line and it didnt work. Still a paint to get into first gear and will grind the gear from time to time as well
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kyle244R948 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the first little bit its soft then it gets hard but it doesnt seem as hard as it should be.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that's what she said!
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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I had the same problem and replaced my slave cylinder. and that fixed it.

But yours looks like it is engaging all the way.

it could be your pressure plate???
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:13 AM
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yeah im thinkin i might just have to replace the whole clutch assembly, such a pain in the a$$ tho
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kyle244R948 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah im thinkin i might just have to replace the whole clutch assembly, such a pain in the a$$ tho</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not sure I'd jump to replacing the clutch and FW man. I'd pop the trans off and open her up, and maybe take it to a shop and have it looked at. Shouldn't cost too much for them to diagnose anything wrong with it, if there even is. Then if you have to, replace the clutch.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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yeah but around where I live there are going to charge me an arm n' a leg to take it apart and look at. I have a friend who can change the clutch for me for less than 100 or so.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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Worn out clutch... meybe.
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:20 AM
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does it still have gear engagement issues with the vehicle off?
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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No, with the car off it goes into gear fine. It also goes into reverse with no problems with the car on. I just dont understand.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Anybody got any more suggestions? The only thing I can think of is the clutch assembly is woren out. I found an exedy oem one on ebay for less than $100 shipped. Any suggestions on a stage one clutch? Thanks.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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you could have a damaged pressure plate.

where does the clutch grab high or low?
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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what do you mean by "grab'?
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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in gear- letting your foot slowly off the clutch pedal, does it catch right off the floor? Or does it take some travel before friction point?

It's definitely an engagement issue.

Even with my 250$ Vacuula, I ALWAYS have to gravity bleed a few times before the clutch pedal feels good.

pump your pedal a couple times
loosen bleeder on slave cylinder slightly, until a few dribbles come out.
Tighten up, repeat a couple times- make sure NO bubbles are coming out

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