I recently decided to buy a greddy turbo kit for my b16 civic eg...the kit looks super complete, and i'm gonna order a front-mount intercooler along with it...the turbo meets my power needs for now, and it comes with injectors and e-manage which is perfect for a weekend swap on a daily driven car...

here come the questions...
1. is the turbo it comes with, the 18g, good for 260 hp at max?
2. if i wanted to upgrade to a bigger turbo after boredom with the 18g, would a different turbo bolt up to the greddy manifold?
3. can someone suggest a relatively cheap electronic boost controller that allows me to change boost levels inside the car, such as presets? i don't want to be babied, but i want to buy the best bang for the buck controller...
4. can someone suggest a good turbo for 380 horsepower that spools relatively quickly and fits on the greddy manifold?
5. what kind of bottom-end preperation is needed to hold 380 hp safely? are there any OEM components that can be used to cut cost, or is crome-moly and billet aluminum or forged metals a necessity? not that i'm a cheap-***, but i work for 8 dollars an hour...


i don't want to cheap out, but the greddy kit is going to be enough power for me at the moment and the car is daily-driven...plus, swapping the turbo and doing the labor myself will cut cost and give me good wrench-time and ease in troubleshooting down the road, should something go wrong...

 

1. Not completely sure, but I know it will choke trying to get to 300 so I would say around there is its efficient level
2. As long as it has the same bolt pattern it should
3.Never used any of them but I know they are fairly expensive..almost to the point where I would rather put the extra 100 bucks and get an ems that has it built in..
4.I am not sure of the bolt pattern but as long as it has the same it should go on that manifold
5. If you want it to be reliable since it is a DD you bet your *** your going to want forged components. If you MUST be a cheap *** though and if I HAD to get something forged I would get pistons over the rods, but you better make sure the ones you have now are fine...

Also one thing I didnt see you walk about was bigger injectors? I dont know if the kit has it, but if they dont you will need some bigger ones. Some 550cc injectors will get you where your wanting to go.

 

naw, the kit comes with 370cc injectors, which have an 80% duty cycle at 250 horses...
eventually, i'll step up to 570cc and go home happy...

 

1. I made 262whp at 11 psi with a stock GSR. You could easily squeeze 320 out of it if you upgraded the cast elbow to something less restrictive.
2. The GT3071R using a T28 flange will be the biggest replacement you can find that will bolt up to the manifold and use the same downpipe flange.
3. What engine management? If eCtune, Neptune, or Hondata S300, you can use a solenoid to control boost. It would be a much cheaper option than a standalone EBC.
4. The 3071 will do that for you.
5. Pistons and rods. That is really all you need to be reliable at that power level. Since the B16 rods are so stout, you could take a gamble and leave the engine stock and get a good tune on it. Pistons and rods are cheaper than a catastrophic engine failure, so I would rather be safe than sorry.

 

so, with hondata s300, i could control boost inside the car on the fly for economy and then highway or dragstrip use? maybe presets? like going from 6 to 10 psi?do you know if hondata s300 has some type of turbo timer program? i know it has launch control with anti-lag, which is super useful...and also a boost by gear and throttle percentage....

 

That turbo is good to about 270whp (to the wheels) which should more than be able to meet those goals. A boost controller can help extend it beyond that, but then you'll need to change some other hardware as well, such as the downpipe, and injectors.

You'll mainly need to stay in the GT-R series of turbos, for they are the only ones that will fit that turbine flange pattern for the housing, the T2 turbine inlet flange that Greddy uses, (internal actuator) and the downpipe adapter that comes into the kit. You can go from GT28RS to about GT3076R.They are a bit expensive, from 1100-1300 depending on the configuration, but that is just for the turbocharger. You'll need to get the water lines and fittings, because they don't "cross over" from the 18G that you have.

The direct answer to your question is a Hallman manual boost controller. I like those a ton better than the turboXS ones available.

Based on the Greddy kit, this is not a good idea, because you'll need to retune the car to run additional boost safely. The great part about the greddy kit, is that it is bolt on and drive, because it is pretuned for the hardware given in the kit. once you start playing with boost levels, you'll need to spend additional money to tune the e-manage, use your 570cc injectors (odd..size), and a fuel pump. If you do that before hand, you'll kill the motor.

Like I stated, the mid-framed GT-R series turbos are your best bet. GT3071R and GT3076R internal gate come to mind. But again, you'll need to get a larger downpipe, waterlines, GT-R fittings, etc.

If you go something that is T3 flanged, look at my sig for the GT3255b. That is perfect for the b16 for 380whp, with maximum pressure by 3000rpms.

At 8 bucks an hour, unless you're already retired, don't sweat the crome-moly and billet alluminum rods that cost over 400 bucks a rod. Eagle rods and some pistons (JE, CP, ROSS,) can do just fine. With hondas, you can use OEM bearings to work with it. Other hardware that should be considered for this build are ARP main studs, rod bolts, and headstuds. On the b16, the head doesn't need any work for only 380whp.

Seems to me that if you plan on going over 380whp anyway, there's no need to throw good money after bad by using a Greddy kit, just to replace every component on there. 300whp is about the max that kit is relatively good for. Since you already have some additional hardware components that you plan to upgrade for anyway, just go from scratch, and either get a more "universal" kit, (Spoonlin performance, Peakboost, Rev-Hard, and Inline Pro come to mind), or build your own, making sure that the manifold and downpipe are from the same company so that there are no fitment issues. Also, you can switch and add components.

*Note:* the companies I mentioned don't come with engine management, so look into Hondata, Neptune, ECTune, and others. I don't recommend the "freeware" (CromePro is an exception) because many of the companies that make the actual chips that require chip burning are phasing out the chips that are normally used (industry insider). So you want to use management that is highly supported with hardware & software, and that your tuner feels comfortable with...

Considering that Greddy didn't make an intercooler piping kit for the b16 in an EG shell, the Spoolin Performance option seems to be a better option.

Hope that helps.




Modified by TheShodan at 10:39 AM 7/18/2008

 

so far, that was the best advice...i only have a couple of questions...if i tune the e-manage for 9 psi, and run the engine at 5 or 6 on the street for economy, would it safely run at 5-6 and then be able to switch to 9 psi on the strip or street? also, since the kit doesn't have an intercooler, can a different brand of intercooler fit on the piping or would i have to just buy a different kit....

i pretty much have my heart set on this kit because it is super complete, has more than enough power for me and my budget, and is carb legal and will pretty much be bolt-on...

i don't want a drag or full race or revhard that will cost more and only be used at 50-60% of it's potential...

if i saved up money and just ran the car on the wastegate spring on 5psi and bought a hondata s300 and then changed the boost levels and the MAF sensor, would it be safe on the engine? that in-between time wouldn't be that long, maybe 2-4 weeks...that's on 5psi untuned and just the standard e-manage settings...\
ps, i ran a 10.39 on the 1/8th yesterday...fun, fun...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotrice16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so far, that was the best advice...i only have a couple of questions...if i tune the e-manage for 9 psi, and run the engine at 5 or 6 on the street for economy, would it safely run at 5-6 and then be able to switch to 9 psi on the strip or street? also, since the kit doesn't have an intercooler, can a different brand of intercooler fit on the piping or would i have to just buy a different kit....

i pretty much have my heart set on this kit because it is super complete, has more than enough power for me and my budget, and is carb legal and will pretty much be bolt-on...

i don't want a drag or full race or revhard that will cost more and only be used at 50-60% of it's potential...

if i saved up money and just ran the car on the wastegate spring on 5psi and bought a hondata s300 and then changed the boost levels and the MAF sensor, would it be safe on the engine? that in-between time wouldn't be that long, maybe 2-4 weeks...that's on 5psi untuned and just the standard e-manage settings...\
ps, i ran a 10.39 on the 1/8th yesterday...fun, fun...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once again, as i said, if you're changing MAP sensors, Hondata, etc, you're wasting time with the Greddy kit, because many of these parts don't just transfer over and still work, or you'll be paying twice to get half the result. I've owned several Greddy Kits on different cars for almost 10 years, and I'm telling you, most of that stuff doesn't transfer completely. A Spoolin Performance setup can be used at its potential with a smaller turbocharger as a Greddy, and can be upgraded to what you need without purchasing things twice.

Direct answer to your question is YES, you can tune for 9psi, which makes it safe for the 5-6 you plan to use. But you're doing yourself a disservice by measure safety with PSI. The stock engine doesn't typically like anything more than about 340whp. No matter what PSI it is, from whatever turbocharger, that is the general limit.

As for the intercooler question, typically yes, you can switch the intercooler, but again, you can get a better kit all together spending less, if done right the first time. A Spoolin kit can do 270whp the same way as a Greddy.

On my personal Integra, the only thing left on the car from my orginal greddy kit is my intercooler, and intercooler kit. THis is because I like Greddy intercoolers, and didn't want to change the intake manifold. Everything from that kit is gone, including the turbocharger.

 

the reason i like the greddy is because it doesn't have to be tuned specially for operation, it has a universal map...now, the greddy maxes out at the power level i would like...but i can't find a complete new turbo kit made by spoolin...the website has tons of parts, but i don't know what to buy or if i would be spending a lot by assembling a complete kit part by part

if someone could make a list of everything i need to have a complete kit, except for the ecu and fuel components...

 

why dont you just buy a peakboost or AFI kit...they come with everything you need minus the injectors,fuel pump and ems...they come with a way better manifold and downpipe and you'll be able to make more power than the greddy kit

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotrice16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the reason i like the greddy is because it doesn't have to be tuned specially for operation, it has a universal map...now, the greddy maxes out at the power level i would like...but i can't find a complete new turbo kit made by spoolin...the website has tons of parts, but i don't know what to buy or if i would be spending a lot by assembling a complete kit part by part

if someone could make a list of everything i need to have a complete kit, except for the ecu and fuel components...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right, it doesn't have to be tuned specifically for the car once it is installed, and as I'll say for the THIRD TIME. If you want to change anything, you'll now have to retune with the e-manage (if someone knows how to tune withnit, it is not that easy) only to reach about 300whp, before having to change the entire setup.

You're not looking at the Spoolin site correctly. If you don't know exactly what is needed in order for a kit to work, having a greddy is the least of your problems. You're wanting to increase power ahead of time, before you even know what is involved. Call Phil at Spoolin' up.

Face it my friend, sooner or later, you'll need to tune with this later if you want the uprated horsepower. Pay now, or REALLY pay later. Listen to someone that has owned several greddy kits. They are nice, don't get me wrong, but not really upgradable.

 

okay...i think i'll leave it with just a Greddy kit at 250 whp and not ever upgrade it...someone offered me a sick deal on a h22 swap that is being prepped for NHRA competition...i'm gonna buy the block, turbo the b16 that i own, and after i max it out, all the money i make for parts will go on this H22...the guy owns a shop called street support, and he also is throwing in an H2B with a GSR tranny...he's offering me a shop sponsorship and will pay for the build by 70% to increase business...plus, we've been best friends since middle school, so we're pretty tight...

back to the turbo kit, if i buy the greddy kit, then would it be possible and somewhat easy to bolt up a FMIC from another company on this kit? also, since the D series kit won't fit due to the manifold, would i need to buy a kit for a 99-00 SI? or a GSR integra? would this affect fitment of the intercooler?

 

oooo, had a thought...if i bought the 92-95 ex/si kit, couldn't i just buy a manifold for a b16 or b18 and bolt it up? that kit is the cheapest, but i don't know if the e-manage is tuned specifically for that engine in that kit...plus, i don't know if the piping length and the space would be right or not..what would you guys suggest?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotrice16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oooo, had a thought...if i bought the 92-95 ex/si kit, couldn't i just buy a manifold for a b16 or b18 and bolt it up? that kit is the cheapest, but i don't know if the e-manage is tuned specifically for that engine in that kit...plus, i don't know if the piping length and the space would be right or not..what would you guys suggest?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's best to get kit based upon the engine used. You MAY be able to use the intercooler piping from another company to bolt on, but you may have to modify the lower IC pipe to fit the lower part of the turbo compressor outlet.

I'd piece it together using spoolin parts for your 250whp goal. (Again, speaking as a former Greddy owner). You will have to buy different management, but you won't be spending twice.

If you decide to keep the Greddy kit idea, keep it simple and get the kit that works with the engine you plan to use.

 

i'm gonna keep it simple...so a turbo kit for a 99-00 si will fit under the hood correctly in an EG with a b16? or would i need an integra one? bolt pattern on the manifold is the same for a B18 and the front end of the integra is more similar to the front end on my civic,,,

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotrice16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm gonna keep it simple...so a turbo kit for a 99-00 si will fit under the hood correctly in an EG with a b16? or would i need an integra one? bolt pattern on the manifold is the same for a B18 and the front end of the integra is more similar to the front end on my civic,,,</TD></TR></TABLE>


The entire "KIT" for the 99-00 SI will not fit the EG chassis. The intercooler piping needs to be custom for the b16 in the EG, or heavily modified from the Greddy IC kit. Greddy never intended for the D-series and B-series to cross over, so no one really knows. You'd have to buy the parts used seperately, as Greddy doesn't do much for selling individual pieces of their kits on the market. The exhaust manifold, and turbocharger WILL fit, and the Downpipe adapter and downpipe, MIGHT fit, depending upon how the pan sits in reference to the downpipe itself. This you will have to find out for yourself. Many people here will either have fabbed their own downpipe, or used a different company for their kit altogether. The pre-tuned E-manage for the b16 from the 99-00 si kit MIGHT work, but there may be some subtlties in the tune, depending upon the year B16 you used. Make sure you used the larger injectors that were for the B16 setup, or again, you'll waste even more time.

You're really NOT making this simple using this Kit in the chassis it wasn't designed for, if you think this will be "bolt on". If you're so hell bent on using it, try it for yourself, and give us the results. But this constantly asking the same questions, are gonna give you the same answers.

As the all knowing YODA says. "No.... Do. Or Do no. There is no try."


Modified by TheShodan at 8:42 AM 7/26/2008

 

This kit is awesome for the beginer. sug porting the manifold very restrictive casting. also port the wastegate opening as much as possible (boost spikes). Also suggest getting a new downpipe that's not resitrictive as hell. You can't really run more then 10psi on this setup with stock elbow because boost spikes like crazy anything past 10psi. But at 10psi you would be amazed what this set up can run.

 

what about a kit for a GSR? you never gave me an answer about that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotrice16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about a kit for a GSR? you never gave me an answer about that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

With the exception of the intercooler piping kit, the SI and GSR are the same. You'll have the same issues I posted earlier. E-manage pre-tune will not work on the B16 from a B18 Greddy kit.

 

it seems like your trying to cut too many corners which is not the right thing to do when your trying to boost your car....i would suggest sitting down and rethink this one through....also whats your budget?

 

my budget is $3000 for EVERYTHING needed to do the install and tow to the dyno in a weekend off work...When i say everything, i mean EVERYTHING! the injectors, the ECU, the boost controller, an IC, the fuel pump, and all the basic **** in a turbo kit...

plus, i don't want to pay over $3000 for another reason, there's no need for me to spend a lot of extra money for a turbo that's good for 450whp...i'll never be able to afford all the bottom end reinforcement to run it at it's max...the max i'll ever run is 280 hp, but my engine will handle it...i did a compression/leakdown test today...anyway, 280 is plenty to bust serious *** and throw down 13's in the quarter...plus, according to power to weight, the car would be equivalent to a freakin' camaro or cobra mustang...that's also what i want to do, demolish the meathead domestics that hate on our scene and run the show here in Alabama...

 

hmm...i would look into getting a decent used kit from the marketplace then have your ecu chipped and use crome which is the cheapest of the ems' that would be your best bet,i personally dont think you could buy all new stuff and tune it for less than 3k...also what kind of clutch do you have your going to need to upgrade that also if yours is still stock.

 

i've got an exedy stage 3 and flywheel that came with the car...i removed it to prevent syncro's getting broke and unnecessary damage to the flywheel...170hp isn't enough to need a stage 3 in my opinion...

There aren't any crome tuners around here...it's all hondata, nothing else...plus, i don't have the knowhow to tune on my own...

 

well then you better hope you can find a decent kit for really cheap then still have enough for injectors,fuel pump,Hondata s300 & tune...btw are going to be installing the turbo kit?

 

yea...i'll install it, but i don't know how to tune it...