New tires, looking for imput.
New tires, looking for imput.
Ok so I don't understand all the tire info 000/00/00. I am thiniking about the yoko s.drives, i am using buying tires for my dd, looking for a good feel good grip, good price, and good mileage, any imput would be helpful. Thanks.
Re: New tires, looking for imput. (jdmeg6b18b)
Reading Tire Size: XXX/YY/ZZ
XXX = the width of the tire tread in millimeters
YY = the series of the tire (height from rim to tread) in percentage of the width
ZZ = rim size
For example, 205/50/15
205mm is the width, 50% of the width (102.5mm) between rim and thread, and 15in rim size.
I've liked the Yokohama AVS ES100. Of course other members will have other opinions.
XXX = the width of the tire tread in millimeters
YY = the series of the tire (height from rim to tread) in percentage of the width
ZZ = rim size
For example, 205/50/15
205mm is the width, 50% of the width (102.5mm) between rim and thread, and 15in rim size.
I've liked the Yokohama AVS ES100. Of course other members will have other opinions.
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Re: New tires, looking for imput. (jdmeg6b18b)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmeg6b18b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so I don't understand all the tire info 000/00/00. I am thiniking about the yoko s.drives, i am using buying tires for my dd, looking for a good feel good grip, good price, and good mileage, any imput would be helpful. Thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
since you're in florida... i'd go for the kumho spt, the hankook rs2, or even the dunlop direzza (there are two kinds) (in that order)... those are pretty good bang for the buck tires that fit your bill. the yokohoma es100 is pretty old school, but still a decent tire. i'll leave it to nsxtasy to chime in. search for his posts and you'll find great information on tires.
since you're in florida... i'd go for the kumho spt, the hankook rs2, or even the dunlop direzza (there are two kinds) (in that order)... those are pretty good bang for the buck tires that fit your bill. the yokohoma es100 is pretty old school, but still a decent tire. i'll leave it to nsxtasy to chime in. search for his posts and you'll find great information on tires.
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here's a quote from nsxtasy if he doesn't get around to here:
"Many people who use tires for warm-weather street driving and track/autocross care only about dry traction, and get supersticky, "extreme performance" tires. They wear rapidly and aren't the best in rain, but on dry pavement and the track or autocross course, their performance is the best you can find in a street tire. The best of them, in order, are, IMO:
1. Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
2. Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
3. Falken Azenis RT-615
If price is a factor, it's worth noting that the Z1 and RT-615 are less expensive than the RE-01R.
The Toyo R1R just became available and the Kumho Ecsta XS comes out next month; it remains to be seen exactly how they compare with these three.
Gus mentioned the SPT, which is a different kind of tire, nowhere near as sticky as these on dry pavement but much better in rain, last much longer, and are cheaper. He also mentioned the ASX, which isn't as good as the SPT in moderate to warm temperatures but can be used in snow and wintry conditions. Again, different tires for different purposes.
That Sumitomo HTR Z is crap. It's an old tire and even when it came out many years ago was crap. Heck, in Tire Rack testing, the HTR Z couldn't even beat the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712, one of the absolute worst summer tires made (which is why it was discontinued a while ago).
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If you are only looking for a cheap tire, one priced similar to the crappy Sumitomo, and you don't care about the lower performance level, you can get either the General Exclaim UHP ($42.50/tire after rebate at the Tire Rack, in 195/50-15) or the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 ($48.50/tire after rebate). They aren't as good as the SPT, let alone the supersticky tires, but they're way better than the crappy Sumitomos, and as you can see, the price is nice."
and also look here: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2329140 and you'll find "c. Budget performance tires, designed for good traction on dry pavement and in rain, very good treadlife, and a relatively low purchase price. The downside is that the performance is not quite as good as the previous two groups. These are a good choice for someone looking for good value as well as good performance and treadlife. Recommended examples include the Kumho Ecsta SPT, Avon Tech M500, and Yokohama ES100."
apparently, there's a wheel/tire forum and a FAQ in there
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Modified by jomama at 8:41 AM 7/14/2008
"Many people who use tires for warm-weather street driving and track/autocross care only about dry traction, and get supersticky, "extreme performance" tires. They wear rapidly and aren't the best in rain, but on dry pavement and the track or autocross course, their performance is the best you can find in a street tire. The best of them, in order, are, IMO:
1. Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
2. Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
3. Falken Azenis RT-615
If price is a factor, it's worth noting that the Z1 and RT-615 are less expensive than the RE-01R.
The Toyo R1R just became available and the Kumho Ecsta XS comes out next month; it remains to be seen exactly how they compare with these three.
Gus mentioned the SPT, which is a different kind of tire, nowhere near as sticky as these on dry pavement but much better in rain, last much longer, and are cheaper. He also mentioned the ASX, which isn't as good as the SPT in moderate to warm temperatures but can be used in snow and wintry conditions. Again, different tires for different purposes.
That Sumitomo HTR Z is crap. It's an old tire and even when it came out many years ago was crap. Heck, in Tire Rack testing, the HTR Z couldn't even beat the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712, one of the absolute worst summer tires made (which is why it was discontinued a while ago).
...
If you are only looking for a cheap tire, one priced similar to the crappy Sumitomo, and you don't care about the lower performance level, you can get either the General Exclaim UHP ($42.50/tire after rebate at the Tire Rack, in 195/50-15) or the Dunlop Direzza DZ101 ($48.50/tire after rebate). They aren't as good as the SPT, let alone the supersticky tires, but they're way better than the crappy Sumitomos, and as you can see, the price is nice."
and also look here: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2329140 and you'll find "c. Budget performance tires, designed for good traction on dry pavement and in rain, very good treadlife, and a relatively low purchase price. The downside is that the performance is not quite as good as the previous two groups. These are a good choice for someone looking for good value as well as good performance and treadlife. Recommended examples include the Kumho Ecsta SPT, Avon Tech M500, and Yokohama ES100."
apparently, there's a wheel/tire forum and a FAQ in there
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Re: New tires, looking for imput. (jdmeg6b18b)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmeg6b18b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone heard about the new yokohoma s.drives?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Garbage from what Ive READ lol It replaced the ES100 and is far worse
Garbage from what Ive READ lol It replaced the ES100 and is far worse
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Loved my ES100 in the dry and they looked good when they were clean. I have kumho ASX. As stated earlier. ASX lose the performance on dry to help get you thru the winters, but i would still get es100's over sDrive.
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sigh. here's more info from nsxtasy:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Roughly 90 percent of the time, people fall into one of the following three categories:
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size, and the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec in 195/55-15. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT, Fuzion ZRi, and Yokohama S.drive, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
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can't go wrong with his advice.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Roughly 90 percent of the time, people fall into one of the following three categories:
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size, and the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec in 195/55-15. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT, Fuzion ZRi, and Yokohama S.drive, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
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can't go wrong with his advice.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jomama »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
1. Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
2. Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
3. Falken Azenis RT-615
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Thats MY top 3 list.
1. Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
2. Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
3. Falken Azenis RT-615
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Thats MY top 3 list.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by meots98itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">another important things to look at when purchasing tire. week and year made/stamp on the sidewall/s of the tire/s.
example 42/01 (42nd week of the year and 01 the year made 2001.)
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good call! Anything over 6 years of age is recommended not mounted.
my Kumho's are either 1207 or 1607.
example 42/01 (42nd week of the year and 01 the year made 2001.)
</TD></TR></TABLE>good call! Anything over 6 years of age is recommended not mounted.
my Kumho's are either 1207 or 1607.
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Re: New tires, looking for imput. (jdmeg6b18b)
Gee, I feel like I've already posted a couple of times in this topic. Thanks, guys! 
To choose a tire size, you first need to find out what diameter wheels you have on your car. Don't just measure the outer lip, because that's not where the diameter measurement is made; it's at the "bead", where the tire mounts. But easier yet, just look at the tire size on your car. It will look something like 195/55ZR15. That last number is the wheel diameter. The stock seven-spoke ITR wheels (white on the '97-98 ITR, gunmetal on the '00-01) is a 15" wheel. The best tire sizes for the ITR are 195/55-15 or 205/50-15 for 15" wheels, 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 for 16" wheels, or 205/40-17 for 17" wheels.
Oh, and the Yokohama S.drive is significantly better than the ES100. If you don't believe me, you can check out the side-by-side comparison tests on the Tire Rack website; the Kumho SPT beats the ES100, particularly in the wet (they're about even in the dry), whereas the SPT and S.drive are just about equal in performance. In some sizes the S.drive is a bit more money than the SPT, in other sizes they're similar in price. The S.drive and the SPT are both very good "bang for the buck" tires, for those who daily drive their cars and want something longer lasting than the Azenis or Star Spec, and who don't drive in snow.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmeg6b18b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i have the kuhmo spt on my other car, theyre good, i was thinking about trying something new.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why? I mean, there must be something about the SPT that you'd like to improve on, right, or you would be happy getting another set? The reason I ask is, you say you want to try something new, and I assume that means you want tires that are different from the SPT in some way. The S.drive is a very good tire, but it's just very similar to the SPT, so if you're looking for something different, it may not be the best choice. If you want something stickier (and you don't mind faster treadwear), get a set of the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec in 195/55-15. If you want something that lasts longer than the SPT - heck, the SPT already lasts a pretty long time, at 25-45K miles, but if you want something that's more like 45-65K - then the Kumho ASX might be a good choice. Etc.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CWTegRNo.160 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anything over 6 years of age is recommended not mounted.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is a good idea to check the manufacture date of the tires on the sidewall. And when you're buying new tires, they should have been manufactured in the previous year. However, there's some disagreement on how old you can still use tires, and six years is not necessarily the longest you can go. Quoting the Tire Rack website:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tire Rack website »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our experience has been that when properly cared for, most street tires have a useful life of between six to ten years. And while part of that time is spent as the tire travels from the manufacturing plant to the manufacturer's distribution center, to the retailer and to you, the remainder is the time it spends on your vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Modified by nsxtasy at 8:14 PM 7/14/2008
To choose a tire size, you first need to find out what diameter wheels you have on your car. Don't just measure the outer lip, because that's not where the diameter measurement is made; it's at the "bead", where the tire mounts. But easier yet, just look at the tire size on your car. It will look something like 195/55ZR15. That last number is the wheel diameter. The stock seven-spoke ITR wheels (white on the '97-98 ITR, gunmetal on the '00-01) is a 15" wheel. The best tire sizes for the ITR are 195/55-15 or 205/50-15 for 15" wheels, 205/45-16 or 215/45-16 for 16" wheels, or 205/40-17 for 17" wheels.
Oh, and the Yokohama S.drive is significantly better than the ES100. If you don't believe me, you can check out the side-by-side comparison tests on the Tire Rack website; the Kumho SPT beats the ES100, particularly in the wet (they're about even in the dry), whereas the SPT and S.drive are just about equal in performance. In some sizes the S.drive is a bit more money than the SPT, in other sizes they're similar in price. The S.drive and the SPT are both very good "bang for the buck" tires, for those who daily drive their cars and want something longer lasting than the Azenis or Star Spec, and who don't drive in snow.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmeg6b18b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i have the kuhmo spt on my other car, theyre good, i was thinking about trying something new.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why? I mean, there must be something about the SPT that you'd like to improve on, right, or you would be happy getting another set? The reason I ask is, you say you want to try something new, and I assume that means you want tires that are different from the SPT in some way. The S.drive is a very good tire, but it's just very similar to the SPT, so if you're looking for something different, it may not be the best choice. If you want something stickier (and you don't mind faster treadwear), get a set of the Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec in 195/55-15. If you want something that lasts longer than the SPT - heck, the SPT already lasts a pretty long time, at 25-45K miles, but if you want something that's more like 45-65K - then the Kumho ASX might be a good choice. Etc.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CWTegRNo.160 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anything over 6 years of age is recommended not mounted.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is a good idea to check the manufacture date of the tires on the sidewall. And when you're buying new tires, they should have been manufactured in the previous year. However, there's some disagreement on how old you can still use tires, and six years is not necessarily the longest you can go. Quoting the Tire Rack website:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tire Rack website »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our experience has been that when properly cared for, most street tires have a useful life of between six to ten years. And while part of that time is spent as the tire travels from the manufacturing plant to the manufacturer's distribution center, to the retailer and to you, the remainder is the time it spends on your vehicle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Modified by nsxtasy at 8:14 PM 7/14/2008
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Re: New tires, looking for imput. (nsxtasy)
I am starting to take a liking to the Hankook RS-2. I haven't tracked them myself but people do and they are good in the rain.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Comp97GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am starting to take a liking to the Hankook RS-2. I haven't tracked them myself but people do and they are good in the rain.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not a bad tire. I don't usually mention it because it's more of an "in between" tire - in between the "supersticky tires" and the "budget performance tires" in most respects (dry performance, the Star Spec and Azenis are better; treadwear and wet traction, the SPT and S.drive are better). So if someone's looking for great dry traction above all else, the Star Spec or Azenis are better choices; if someone's looking for better treadlife and/or wet traction, the SPT and the S.drive are better choices. But if you want something in between those two categories, in dry traction, wet traction, and treadlife, the Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 might work for you. (Figure 15-20K miles on them, vs 10-12K for the Azenis, 25-45K for the SPT.)
It's not a bad tire. I don't usually mention it because it's more of an "in between" tire - in between the "supersticky tires" and the "budget performance tires" in most respects (dry performance, the Star Spec and Azenis are better; treadwear and wet traction, the SPT and S.drive are better). So if someone's looking for great dry traction above all else, the Star Spec or Azenis are better choices; if someone's looking for better treadlife and/or wet traction, the SPT and the S.drive are better choices. But if you want something in between those two categories, in dry traction, wet traction, and treadlife, the Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 might work for you. (Figure 15-20K miles on them, vs 10-12K for the Azenis, 25-45K for the SPT.)
WOW! thank-you all. very good info itr honda-tech is much better than reg teg. nsxtasy, its not that i wasnt happy with spt, i just wanted to try a different brand, i dont know too much about tires. i was told that the s drives were great so i figured id give em a shot, i got a deal on em 300 for al 4.
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