if you do not want this in the integra forum please move it, the swap has to do with an integra and thats what its going in so im not quite sure what forum to put it in.

So anyways, i have a 92 integra LS that im swapping with a b16a2 out of a 2000 Si and a gsr cable trans.

While im doing the swap i also have a Blox intake manifold, hondata gasket, DC sports 4-1 race header, AEM cold air, a Greddy Sp2 catback, and a chipped Phearable.net ecu set up to be tuned with crome, hondata, etc. and a basemap for my b16 with the mods listed

Now my question is, with the setup i have listed above, would it benefit me to have it dyno tuned? i want to use crome and have it tuned but i want to know wether its worth it, i have read that in order to get the full potential out of the aftermarket IM, you need to have a proper tune accomodating the presence of the better IM. is that true? if so could anybody give me a guestimate of what kind of whp it would put down untuned with a basemap and how much i would gain having a good tune? i really dont know how much a properly tuned setup like this can put down and im interested to hear some numbers from ppl on what they think my setup would be good for.

enough with the rant, if you have any input it would be much appreciated

 

Every question you asked depends on the person tuning your engine. To be honest any setup can be tuned to get a little something extra. Even a bone stock motor could be tuned and some improvements can be made, if that's worth your time and money that is. The mods you have listed a stock ECU will be able to adapt to and there really is no need to tune. If you do, yes there will be some improvement but personally i would get some more mods before heavily investing in tuning. About your IM, that type of im is really designed for a turbo application, it would help to tune after it's on your motor but you'll see more loss than gain. Any gain will be at the extreme high rpm where the engine is pumping the most air. This is just the way they are designed more of a large plentum than an actual designed IM. Personally I would spend my money on more mods in your situation, because you really haven't changed anything on the motor yet, just letting it breath better. hope this helped

 

good points!

but my main worry is that the ecu is only setup with a "basemap" which may actually be worse than the stock tune and may need further tuning to achieve full potential

anybody else?

 

get a set of cams then go get tuned /thread

 

cams arent in the budget....yet

anybody else with some useful input?

 

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anybody else with some useful input?

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Save your money then and get cams and then get a tune.

 

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X2, finish the package first. you will eventually be getting cams right?

 

you dont Need a tune but it can deff. help you squeez a little power and know that your engines running good condition.

 

yeah cams eventually, but that probly wont be until next summer, in the meantime i dont know wether i want to trust a basemap tune, i just want to have the peace of mind and the full potential out of the mods i have now and ill save up over time and get cams later (paint job and wheels are next in line)

you know what i mean, i dont have any gauges or anything to tell me wether my A/F ratio is too lean or too rich etc, people burning these ecus make mistakes, and i dont want my motor to be the end result of those mistakes

i mainly want to have it tuned for peace of mind, but the extra few hp are nice too, ill take all i can get ya know

 

Don't tune it until you have cams or some other major upgrade

 

Unless you tune it yourself or are paying like 20-40$ for the tune... its not really worth it at all...


Also the basemap tune also adjusts itself within a pretty wide range... i doubt your mods are exceeding that and if u are its defitnatly not by much....

bottom line is its not really a good idea especially since ur planning on working on the head next summer... ur going to really need the tune next summer... not now.
Be patient. Save. And use that money towards the cams so u get them sooner instead of literally blowing money on something u dont need.

the money is probably whats holding u back from buying the cams now... so spending it on something u dont really need is only a step back from buying those cams.



Modified by LordAphotic at 1:26 AM 7/3/2008

 

Not enough displacement for the weight of your car. I bet you'll be running high 15's to low 16's with that setup. Tuned I think you can expect 170whp if your lucky but your down to a 1.6L and it blows to be pulling 2500lbs with it. I would pawn off those parts and invest in a turbo setup.

 

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Nice

 

Yeah, I would suggest to go boost but I understand money doesn't grow on trees.

Regarding your set up though it will definitely be beneficial to tune to extract the most power out of your set up. But unless your done with your "package" just let the tune be the last option so you won't have to be shelling money out again unless you can get it tuned cheap, even a street tune will clean the maps up a bit.

You said, your running a chipped ECU from Phearable.net. I can vouch that there basemaps are on point. Prior to having my turbo set up tuned, the base map was not that far off so it didn't take the tuner a long time to dial things in. I believe you should be safe with the base map because the parameters will be within range of your set up for the ECU to make adjustments.

Goodluck

 

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very good point, saving is key to obtaining your goals
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ok, are you sure? i think if i was puttin down 170whp no matter what the torque, i would be running quicker then a low 16, ive seen people with bone stock DA's break 15s, 92-93 140hp version with an intake and stock steelies, i think it all comes down to driver, maybe if i drove auto my whole life and jumped in my car at the track and ran it, i think i would pull off a low 16
now im not saying my car will run 14's or anything, im hoping for a low 15 and if im really talented, a high 14
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do you agree with him or no? i would like to hear why or why not, thanks<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dayvid05 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You said, your running a chipped ECU from Phearable.net. I can vouch that there basemaps are on point. Prior to having my turbo set up tuned, the base map was not that far off so it didn't take the tuner a long time to dial things in. I believe you should be safe with the base map because the parameters will be within range of your set up for the ECU to make adjustments.

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that is very good to hear, ive now heard from 3 or 4 people that their basemaps are very good and are close to the final tune for phearable.net!