review of my PICS Select 10k 12k
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review of my PICS Select 10k 12k
Its been about 3 weeks since i installed the PICS. I carefully worked them in slowly, and so far I find there a little bouncy. If I hit a dip in the road its almost painfull lol, even if i hit a bump the car bounces. Other than that, handling of the car has improved, especially in corners, and overall, ride confort is tolerable
Im hoping to try them out on the track in a few weeks
Im hoping to try them out on the track in a few weeks
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (neo_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neo_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is your front lowered to the max? </TD></TR></TABLE>
no as u can see in the pic im not slammed
and BBASSO u prolly dont DD ur R so thats weaksauce! lol
no as u can see in the pic im not slammed
and BBASSO u prolly dont DD ur R so thats weaksauce! lol
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (floatfisher)
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no as u can see in the pic im not slammed
and BBASSO u prolly dont DD ur R so thats weaksauce! lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
I DD on the 12/14, and I don't think they're bad.
no as u can see in the pic im not slammed
and BBASSO u prolly dont DD ur R so thats weaksauce! lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
I DD on the 12/14, and I don't think they're bad.
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (floatfisher)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by floatfisher »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no as u can see in the pic im not slammed</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me.
no as u can see in the pic im not slammed</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me.
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what i don't get is why so many newbs rave about how good D2/Ksport/Omni etc
"they ride so smooth" "4 years and no problem" etc
i recently rode on a set of Megans and i can tell you they are absolute junk. the ride and handling compromise just does not make any sense. strangely enough, the owner loves them
here we are on the other end of the spectrum, someone complaining about how PICs feel bouncy? i feel that my PIC P3s (12k/10k) are no more or less bouncy than the Spoon N1s (12k/14k) or Quantum RM Sports (16k/12k) i've had in the past, both of which are considered to be quality companies by credible people.
i believe that ride quality is more dependent on road conditions rather than tolerance. personally i think many people out there feel the need to brag about being able to withstand overly stiff rates on the street. well lets see where these people live... California... Texas etc. yet, most of these "hardcore" people run comparatively under achieving RT615s. so much for being crazy
i can ride on 20k springs too if we had perfectly smooth asphalt. we'll see how well your cars will hold up to beautiful pock marked Canadian roads
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"they ride so smooth" "4 years and no problem" etc
i recently rode on a set of Megans and i can tell you they are absolute junk. the ride and handling compromise just does not make any sense. strangely enough, the owner loves them
here we are on the other end of the spectrum, someone complaining about how PICs feel bouncy? i feel that my PIC P3s (12k/10k) are no more or less bouncy than the Spoon N1s (12k/14k) or Quantum RM Sports (16k/12k) i've had in the past, both of which are considered to be quality companies by credible people.
i believe that ride quality is more dependent on road conditions rather than tolerance. personally i think many people out there feel the need to brag about being able to withstand overly stiff rates on the street. well lets see where these people live... California... Texas etc. yet, most of these "hardcore" people run comparatively under achieving RT615s. so much for being crazy
i can ride on 20k springs too if we had perfectly smooth asphalt. we'll see how well your cars will hold up to beautiful pock marked Canadian roads
/rant
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by walker111 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^what exactly are you ranting about? </TD></TR></TABLE>
He doesn't know WTF he's ranting about if he thinks Texas roads are smooth.
</TD></TR></TABLE>He doesn't know WTF he's ranting about if he thinks Texas roads are smooth.
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Call me crazy, but i just got done telling a fellow HT member yesterday that i like the ride on my PIC Select R3s better than i do my Spoon N1s. I daily drive my GSR with the PICs, and the N1s are on the R. Providing you aren't driving on suspension abusive roads, the R3s are absolutely great. The showa dampers on the N1s definitely take the abuse better, but the N1s brand new are almost double what the PICs are new.
For the difference in price, PIC wins anyday 
For the difference in price, PIC wins anyday
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I rock the R3's on both cars, and street/track they are just fine for me. My suggestion would be to up the fronts, one click at a time. I'd be willing to bet your set all the way soft thinking it's going to be best on the street when I have found it's not.
Try adjusting the dampening and see what happens from there.
Try adjusting the dampening and see what happens from there.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd be willing to bet your set all the way soft thinking it's going to be best on the street when I have found it's not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
same for my N1's, had to turn the damping up a bit and they actually improved
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
but the way some people on this forum talk about PIC's I should have been bulging in my pants afterwards
same for my N1's, had to turn the damping up a bit and they actually improved
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
but the way some people on this forum talk about PIC's I should have been bulging in my pants afterwards
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He doesn't know WTF he's ranting about if he thinks Texas roads are smooth. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I suppose it all depends on your specific area but in my experience the roads in san antonio are smooth as glass compared to chicago roads.
Pot hole patching in this area is still on going from the damage last winter. I personally know 2 people who had bent rims and/or damaged tires from the poor road conditions. I'm looking out my window at work here and see cratered and cracked pavement that probably won't be fixed for weeks.
He doesn't know WTF he's ranting about if he thinks Texas roads are smooth.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I suppose it all depends on your specific area but in my experience the roads in san antonio are smooth as glass compared to chicago roads.
Pot hole patching in this area is still on going from the damage last winter. I personally know 2 people who had bent rims and/or damaged tires from the poor road conditions. I'm looking out my window at work here and see cratered and cracked pavement that probably won't be fixed for weeks.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
same for my N1's, had to turn the damping up a bit and they actually improved
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
but the way some people on this forum talk about PIC's I should have been bulging in my pants afterwards </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well if you sat on the passenger side of the car it would have felt just like home.
same for my N1's, had to turn the damping up a bit and they actually improved
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
but the way some people on this forum talk about PIC's I should have been bulging in my pants afterwards
</TD></TR></TABLE>Well if you sat on the passenger side of the car it would have felt just like home.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tartje »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
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They also weren't adjusted to what they are now. You do have to play with the dampers and set them to your liking. I actually drive them on the hardest setting up front now believe it or not. I think that might cure what others are calling the "bounciness". Keep in mind that PIC designed their product for off-road, road course application where you generally don't find pot-holes or uneven pavement. They make an excellent product IMO and if i were looking to purchase new suspension they would absolutely have more of my business.
however, when I experienced the R3's on Jon D's GSR, and I didn't think they were as great as many people make them out to be. they weren't bad, D2's et al, and for the money they're good.
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They also weren't adjusted to what they are now. You do have to play with the dampers and set them to your liking. I actually drive them on the hardest setting up front now believe it or not. I think that might cure what others are calling the "bounciness". Keep in mind that PIC designed their product for off-road, road course application where you generally don't find pot-holes or uneven pavement. They make an excellent product IMO and if i were looking to purchase new suspension they would absolutely have more of my business.
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (neo_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neo_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me. </TD></TR></TABLE>
all of which = good thing.
You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me. </TD></TR></TABLE>
all of which = good thing.
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Jon, totally agree... they were designed for smooth road course surfaces.
Having driven them both extensively on the street and track, I can "see" where folks say they are "bouncy" on the street. But I believe there is a big mis-conception that if you adjust them all the way soft, that they will be better for the street which is NOT the case.
FWIW, the PY is set to 6/F 3/R
FBP is set to 3/F and 2/R
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neo_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually... you can. My fronts are only a few mm from the bottom. This is how I achieved the ride height I wanted, and I still have full motion of the suspension with no binding or contact of the sussy components (UCA to fender well, nor tire/rim to fender) In other words, having them close to all the way down, I still have full suspension travel.
Having driven them both extensively on the street and track, I can "see" where folks say they are "bouncy" on the street. But I believe there is a big mis-conception that if you adjust them all the way soft, that they will be better for the street which is NOT the case.
FWIW, the PY is set to 6/F 3/R
FBP is set to 3/F and 2/R
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neo_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can't slam your car with those coilovers, trust me. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually... you can. My fronts are only a few mm from the bottom. This is how I achieved the ride height I wanted, and I still have full motion of the suspension with no binding or contact of the sussy components (UCA to fender well, nor tire/rim to fender) In other words, having them close to all the way down, I still have full suspension travel.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave_B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jon, totally agree... they were designed for smooth road course surfaces.
Having driven them both extensively on the street and track, I can "see" where folks say they are "bouncy" on the street. But I believe there is a big mis-conception that if you adjust them all the way soft, that they will be better for the street which is NOT the case.
FWIW, the PY is set to 6/F 3/R
FBP is set to 3/F and 2/R
Actually... you can. My fronts are only a few mm from the bottom. This is how I achieved the ride height I wanted, and I still have full motion of the suspension with no binding or contact of the sussy components (UCA to fender well, nor tire/rim to fender) In other words, having them close to all the way down, I still have full suspension travel.
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I think slammed is refering to absolute no functionality, strictly aesthetics, so that they can take maD tYtE pIx y0!
Having driven them both extensively on the street and track, I can "see" where folks say they are "bouncy" on the street. But I believe there is a big mis-conception that if you adjust them all the way soft, that they will be better for the street which is NOT the case.
FWIW, the PY is set to 6/F 3/R
FBP is set to 3/F and 2/R
Actually... you can. My fronts are only a few mm from the bottom. This is how I achieved the ride height I wanted, and I still have full motion of the suspension with no binding or contact of the sussy components (UCA to fender well, nor tire/rim to fender) In other words, having them close to all the way down, I still have full suspension travel.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think slammed is refering to absolute no functionality, strictly aesthetics, so that they can take maD tYtE pIx y0!
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Re: (Jon D)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon D »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
They also weren't adjusted to what they are now. You do have to play with the dampers and set them to your liking. I actually drive them on the hardest setting up front now believe it or not. I think that might cure what others are calling the "bounciness". Keep in mind that PIC designed their product for off-road, road course application where you generally don't find pot-holes or uneven pavement. They make an excellent product IMO and if i were looking to purchase new suspension they would absolutely have more of my business. </TD></TR></TABLE>
x duece!
12k 14k and I would absolutely daily these if I didn't have another car.
They also weren't adjusted to what they are now. You do have to play with the dampers and set them to your liking. I actually drive them on the hardest setting up front now believe it or not. I think that might cure what others are calling the "bounciness". Keep in mind that PIC designed their product for off-road, road course application where you generally don't find pot-holes or uneven pavement. They make an excellent product IMO and if i were looking to purchase new suspension they would absolutely have more of my business. </TD></TR></TABLE>
x duece!
12k 14k and I would absolutely daily these if I didn't have another car.
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (floatfisher)
Are people buying PICs for the bling factor too? I still think a Koni SPSS/custom rate Ground Control setup blows the PICs out of the water. And yes, I've driven both (but own neither).
And, they are both about the same price.
PIC is certainly better than Megans, similar Teins, etc...but some folks hold them in really high regard and I'm not sure their performance justifys that.
And, they are both about the same price.
PIC is certainly better than Megans, similar Teins, etc...but some folks hold them in really high regard and I'm not sure their performance justifys that.
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (Todd00)
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I'm not sure their performance justifys that.
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I am curious to hear what you are basing your opinion on? What in particular is disappointing to you about PIC? Is your opinion based on autocross, hpde, daily driving, or a combination of those?
I'm not sure their performance justifys that.
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I am curious to hear what you are basing your opinion on? What in particular is disappointing to you about PIC? Is your opinion based on autocross, hpde, daily driving, or a combination of those?
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the only thing I did NOT like about my PIC R3 12/14K setup was they were a little bouncy through quick dips. otherwise they were completely tolerable for normal driving, even on bumpy/rough roads, and they were [freak]ING awesome on the track. makes my stock shocks/H&R spring setup feel like a wet turd.
<<is running 10/18K on his civic
<<is running 10/18K on his civic
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (Jon D)
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I am curious to hear what you are basing your opinion on? What in particular is disappointing to you about PIC? Is your opinion based on autocross, hpde, daily driving, or a combination of those? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Daily driving--everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I think daily driving rates over 600lbs on the DC2 chassis is not comfortable at all (on your typical road), and some setups show this more than others. Therefore, I'm not judging based on this. Daily driving 'tolerance' also seems to be based on age and how long you've done it and on what chassis.
I'm basing on timeslips and how the car acts/reacts. I just feel that the Koni valving and adjustment allows the car to behave better, respond better, etc. For the price, I just can't see how the PIC setup is better than Koni/GC in any aspect. Therefore, I was asking if folks bought PIC for a bling factor, or they just didn't research or they just don't care.
Again, I'm not saying that PIC is bad, because they are far better than most 'full bodied' coilovers in their pricerange. But in that pricerange, you can build a hell of a Koni/GC setup that'll turn better laptimes.
I am curious to hear what you are basing your opinion on? What in particular is disappointing to you about PIC? Is your opinion based on autocross, hpde, daily driving, or a combination of those? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Daily driving--everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I think daily driving rates over 600lbs on the DC2 chassis is not comfortable at all (on your typical road), and some setups show this more than others. Therefore, I'm not judging based on this. Daily driving 'tolerance' also seems to be based on age and how long you've done it and on what chassis.
I'm basing on timeslips and how the car acts/reacts. I just feel that the Koni valving and adjustment allows the car to behave better, respond better, etc. For the price, I just can't see how the PIC setup is better than Koni/GC in any aspect. Therefore, I was asking if folks bought PIC for a bling factor, or they just didn't research or they just don't care.
Again, I'm not saying that PIC is bad, because they are far better than most 'full bodied' coilovers in their pricerange. But in that pricerange, you can build a hell of a Koni/GC setup that'll turn better laptimes.
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Re: review of my PICS Select 10k 12k (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Daily driving--everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I think daily driving rates over 600lbs on the DC2 chassis is not comfortable at all (on your typical road), and some setups show this more than others. Therefore, I'm not judging based on this. Daily driving 'tolerance' also seems to be based on age and how long you've done it and on what chassis.
I'm basing on timeslips and how the car acts/reacts. I just feel that the Koni valving and adjustment allows the car to behave better, respond better, etc. For the price, I just can't see how the PIC setup is better than Koni/GC in any aspect. Therefore, I was asking if folks bought PIC for a bling factor, or they just didn't research or they just don't care.
Again, I'm not saying that PIC is bad, because they are far better than most 'full bodied' coilovers in their pricerange. But in that pricerange, you can build a hell of a Koni/GC setup that'll turn better laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
brand new, the PICs are quite a bit less expensive than SPS3 Konis and custom rate GCs FWIW. I was torn between the two for a very long time. I've always had and loved everything about Konis, but I couldn't be much happier than I am with PIC.
<--Didn't buy for bling, name, social relevance, or anything like that.
Daily driving--everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I think daily driving rates over 600lbs on the DC2 chassis is not comfortable at all (on your typical road), and some setups show this more than others. Therefore, I'm not judging based on this. Daily driving 'tolerance' also seems to be based on age and how long you've done it and on what chassis.
I'm basing on timeslips and how the car acts/reacts. I just feel that the Koni valving and adjustment allows the car to behave better, respond better, etc. For the price, I just can't see how the PIC setup is better than Koni/GC in any aspect. Therefore, I was asking if folks bought PIC for a bling factor, or they just didn't research or they just don't care.
Again, I'm not saying that PIC is bad, because they are far better than most 'full bodied' coilovers in their pricerange. But in that pricerange, you can build a hell of a Koni/GC setup that'll turn better laptimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
brand new, the PICs are quite a bit less expensive than SPS3 Konis and custom rate GCs FWIW. I was torn between the two for a very long time. I've always had and loved everything about Konis, but I couldn't be much happier than I am with PIC.
<--Didn't buy for bling, name, social relevance, or anything like that.