http://www.water4gas.com/

I just finished looking at this site, after hearing a few people talk about it. Wondering if there's any truth to it?

From my understanding, you can create hydrogen gas from distilled water, baking soda, and electricity, and inject it into the air intake. (via a vacuum hose)

Hydrogen is more combustible, produces a way more efficient burn, which yields 10%-100% increase in fuel economy......my mechanic says he knows of it, the guy with a turbo diesel says he gets 77% increase?

I get 745 Miles (1200Km's) per tank on my TDI, this would suggest i will get 1319 Miles (2120 Km's) per tank....(15.4 Gallon/55 litre tank)....That sounds ridiculous.




Apparently you can do it for as little as 200 dollars? My brother is going to try it on his suburban, he says he'll be happy to get +3mpg (he gets 9mpg currently)

I'm going to try this on my EF Civic. (Control Test First) I'll post up pics/vids)

Anyone tried this? or know anyone who has?


Modified by rival12 at 10:52 AM 6/13/2008

 

in for results on that suburban.

 

33% Increase sounds hella good to me.

 

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the only problem with hydrogen instead of gas is that it burns much hotter. usually internals go boom way prematurely.

 

I thought about trying it on my beater! If i could get better mpgs back and forth to and from work its worth 200$ I just wounder if it hurts your your motor in any way even over time?

 

This thing is getting bigger and bigger, I just heard of this a few days ago and now I'm hearing people talk about it every day. Check out youtube and metacafe for videos, search hydrogen. I got a wild hair up my *** a couple days ago and made a simple functional version in about 2 hours. (not in a car, but a functional unit pulling hydrogen out of water). Just powering my little model off of two D batteries I was getting enough hydrogen to make a small bang about once a minute lighting it off with a lighter.

 

Apparently it makes for better combustion, and burns cleaner......so the site says. Water vapour for exhaust gas after the

H+H+O (Combustion) = H20.....

I'm going to try it on my 1991 Civic....and if that goes smoothly, i'll try the Jetta.....2000Km's Tank!!!!! (1250 Miles Per Tank) I mean....The Jetta Sleeved for turbo already.....so i think that shouldn't be a prob.....

The ZC should be able to withstand Hydrogen.....It's not close to Nitrous....so (and i'm assuming here) but it shouldn't be as destructive....

For a few wires, a water bottle, and a hose....well worth it, i think....


Reminds you of MacGyver!!!

 

lol talk about a scam LOL why not just buy a tornado.. honestly...the world wide web has the answer to this you just have to find it... just rmember these peopel arent selling you a out of the box set up for one.. they are sellign you knowledge that you can learn from your local library

its funny how they say it produces so much hydrogen and spefectly the stupid things they ask you to do to your car LOL

 

I believe it is all a spook too but I would really like to hear from some one reliable on here to just try it out and let us know whats up for sure.

 

well i take it back its not a scam..its selling what it does..
the THEORY WORKS.. just not as easy as a plastic jar with electrodes planted insde it LOL
its just a tab bit more complicated then that

 

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x2......awesome THEORY.....put the practical situation is that people are doing
these things to motors that NOT designed for these modifacations and it MIGHT
even work for a little while....but longevity will be reduced GREATLY....

Nice concept though.....


I really don't understand why this is in the EF/CRX forum......GDD maybe?

 

sure in theory it sounds nice but unfortunately the power to produce the hydrogen has to come from somewhere! what little you gain from the small amount of hydrogen produced, you negate that with all the power it takes to pull the hydrogen out of the water.

 

Well i'm going to rig something up with a battery to test, before putting it in in my EF Civic...

I was speaking with a chemist (he studies cancer research, but elements all the same) My cousin actually.

Anyhow, he was saying the application is not out of the realm of possibility. You can simply extract gas from water with a current (H20). Adding baking soda creates more of a bubbling effect, for more gas released (Catalyst). As adding salt would create a stronger electrical current (salt is not mentioned.....and would probably wreck the motor)

The reaction i figure produces HHO (Gas).....which is connected via a vacuum line to the intake....even if less Hydrogen is produced, it's still pulling oxygen.....i don't think you'll need that much hydrogen to produce a reaction.....how much air space is there in a cylinder? Lets take my 1.6L ZC with 4cyl

395 Cubic Centimeters [Cm3] which converts to 395 ml......so like half a can on coke? we'll cut that in half or less.....and say 150ML.....of Oxygen & Hydrogen (a sip of air?) Does it need that much hydrogen? If that was the case i'm sure you could rig up a tank of hydrogen.....but at that point it would kill the engine, stop me if i'm wrong.....just my logic here. I think I'd need a few molecules of hydrogen......like 2:1 Oxygen: Hydrogen......50ml of Hydrogen? that's pretty much next to nothing....but ignited with fuel....

Anyways, i'm off to buy some materials tomorrow to rig something up in my civic over the weekend.....i'll do a control test......without it, and then with it on......i'll try and take a video to show my results.

Things not mentioned on the site is that:
1. At idle less fuel is burning (low rpm = less gas & more air)
2. If Air is replaced by HHO (In gas form) There is too much hydrogen built up.
3. Too much hydrogen means too much detonation.
4. you have two options, rig a switch to turn it off, or kill ignition. (At a stop light)
5. If you turn off the little setup, it runs like normal....

They don't talk too much about optimization either.....because to get the best efficiency you need to play with fuel maps.....lean out gas, and increase air......and i'm thinking, because the air is replaced by a mixture of Hydrogen & Oxygen that you could lean it out a little with less problems, because your getting a more combustible spark from the new added gas (HHO).

I'm trying it out. I'll keep you posted. If it works, i might venture to the Dyno. (If an increase in mpg is prevalent, then horsepower gain must be a coefficient.)

[Electricity(Charged Ions) + HH0 + Sodium Bicarbonate(catalyst)] + Petroleum Bicarbonate(Gasoline) + Spark(Ignition) = H20 (Exhaust)

Just so you know this is how the Honda FCX works in part (bigger hydrogen tank which is not self producing, bet you it's got Benson Sleeves LOL)

That's the chemical composition i'm working with, the site says start with two jars.....bigger trucks should use 6......i wonder if you could make it apart of the fuel map system electronically.......similar to a system which pulls nitrous (dry shot) on demand if you will.....Hondata time! (maybe in the future)

Wish me luck!

Ps. i think this can stay in the EF forum, if it's a project on my EF.


Modified by rival12 at 2:43 AM 6/13/2008

 

I have the file if anyone wants it! PM me I am building this device right now to put on my DC2

 

this concept (burning hydrogen to increase mileage) has been instated on several vehicles successfully, but they used compressed hydrogen in a pressure tank to source the hydrogen.

i can't remember the guy's name, but he's supposed to be converting a vehicle for Arnold the Governator, as well as several other celebrities.

expensive conversion, but proves the possibility.

 

what about propane...way better gas millage...lol

thats what they use in my country...kinda dangerous having a propane tank in the back of ur car tho.

and i dont know about passing smog.

 

Good point to, I know in Vegas all the taxis are pure propane. But this method of HHO is cheap and easy to install on your car plus there are the MAF/MAP and O2 enhancers(Which are very easly made as well) which will help bring your MPG up even more.

 

There is a co-worker of mine that has done it and he gets at least 2 more miles to the gallon and he says he feels a slight increase in horsepower. But he made the kit himself, he used some non-corroding steel.

 

I'll keep you posted on the EF progress....on hold until tomorrow.....gotta stick a new oil pan on.....

 

I hope no one gets mad but here it is, keep in mind this link won't be up forever. If it doesnt work PM me for new link

http://www.turboupload.com/dow...s.zip

 

This was a simple setup for my home test that made hydrogen, I used a 12volt powersupply that I have for caraudio that worked great, or you can cut the cord off an old phone charger and do the same.

 

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Thanks for the info! That's awesome, keep me posted, and thanks for the download.

 

The main problem with hydrogen gas production is that it requires more input energy than what you get out of it. That's why we're not running huge plants cracking water into hydrogen to power our cities. It's not going to break even. For other stuff its not quite as sensible. Why run huge solar power farms to produce hydrogen when you can just use the solar power directly and net more energy.

I'm not quite sure how it would work in one's car because the energy source would be the alternator and battery. The alternator is driven by the engine, and that recharges the battery as well. Is it going to be net positive which I don't see how.

Janos

 

According to the men and woman who engineered this device and there were many invovled, They stated that its not just the one device by itself that gave such huge gains but a concordance of things. As for the cost of making the hydrogen itself.

I have spent about 30 dollars so far and I have everything I need except for the stainless steele 308L wire needed for the windings inside of the device. I found a local welding supply store that will sell me the wire for cheap.
True the car's alternator and therefore battery is part of the source of electrolisys, but the power you are taking from the alternator and battery is so minimal that you wouldnt even notice the loss.
Think of it this way, if there were a ton of loss then every guy out there who adds a 1000 watt class d amp and two 12" subs to his car would now have to pay more for gas becuase his car's electrical is putting strain on the engine If thats what your saying?

But again there is now way that the small device would take even that much power from your car to make the hydrogen, but you can also goto youtube and search "water4gas" and see from some of the people using it what they say.

I am just as much a critic when it comes to this stuff but I like to find out for myself so I say 35 or 40 dollars is worth spending seeing how the cost to run it is practically nothing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wrh...lated


Modified by 0c00l at 11:39 AM 6/13/2008