Just curious if anyone knows what exactly has to be done to put a B series with an automatic trans into a Civic. I want to build a car that is fun to drive but an auto for the wife. I know it can be done; just wondering if you have to do anything crazy to make it fit right. I am not worried about the wiring as that is no big deal to me.

Plan is to do GSR engine with B16 auto (if the B16 auto has better ratios than the GSR auto)


Ryan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious if anyone knows what exactly has to be done to put a B series with an automatic trans into a Civic. I want to build a car that is fun to drive but an auto for the wife. I know it can be done; just wondering if you have to do anything crazy to make it fit right. I am not worried about the wiring as that is no big deal to me.

Plan is to do GSR engine with B16 auto (if the B16 auto has better ratios than the GSR auto)


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No, You don't know it can be done. There are NO automatic B16 motors sold in a civic platform in the US. (no such thing as a B16 automatic transmission state-side to my understanding)

I know that a Automatic out of a B18A/B1 motors does not fit in the civic platform due to clearances, If you want something with an integra motor and an automatic, Buy a Automatic Acura Integra for the Wifey, and then put a manual in the civic for yourself.

*Did some quick reading*

*From Consumer guide's Delsol page*
1994 Honda Civic: Dual airbags were installed for '94. A VTEC edition joined the del Sol lineup, with a 160-horsepower twin-cam engine that featured variable-valve timing *the B16*. The VTEC came only with a 5-speed manual gearbox, and rode a tauter suspension that included stiffer stabilizer cars and springs, and 195/60VR14 performance tires.

*Now from the integra page*

A 5-speed manual gearbox was standard on all models. All except the GS-R could have an electronic 4-speed automatic transmission instead. *B18C series*

So the only automatics available would be from a Automatic FWD CRV, or Acura Integra LS, both of which have horrid gearing, and weak internals.

I don't mean to be rude, but this has been asked MANY times, and the answer is always the same.

 

Well, sorry to be rude, but if you answer every post like this one like this, that is the problem. You obviously have NO CLUE (which is obvious since you had to ask what axles you needed to use on a B series EF swap; this HAS been answered 1000's of times on here and can be found using the search function). See, there are other solid masses on the earth besides the United States. What's even crazier is we now have this website called Ebay (just came out last week) and they sell automatic transmissions from cars. I guess they come from a planet called Japan or Europe. Weird. Well, anyway......

Since they can't go in there, I did find a few pics but I guess they must be photochopped; WTF, are those VTEC solenoids on the trans, too? Whoa, dual VTAK!!!

http://www.carv2.com/images/pr...4.jpg

And look here. B16A swap that says it came out of a Civic. WTF? These people must be absolute liars! I'm turning them into Ebay for fraud!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...25263

Weird. An auto GSR transmission. Hmm.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...88397&

Finally, these frauds are selling a GSR ECU but they claim it's for an automatic car. Man, I can't believe what this world is coming to!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...86348&

OK, sarcasm mode off. Now, YOU do a search on here and show me where this question has been ANSWERED. I probably know how to use this search better than anyone and I could not find a SINGLE post that addressed this issue and actually told the answer. Since you obviously know everything, show me those MANY posts you speak of.


For the people on H-T that actually have a clue, please refer to my first post. I don't want a heavy *** Integra that all the stupid ricer kids want to race when they pull up beside it. I'm not some punk kid so I prefer to remain inconspicuous. IE: I'd like to have a Civic 4 door that has a GSR/auto so I can mess with the morons that think there is no such thing as a B series VTEC with automatic transmission.

Why get an auto Integra? Everyone has one. Why get a 4 door Civic with a B auto? Because obviously, no one has one (sarcasm, I know there are around as there is one for sale on the local Craigslist; http://kansascity.craigslist.o....html ) and they don't exist. I like things that are different....

OK, anyone have any real info for me? More than likely, I'll be doing this in a 96-00. Any REAL information will be greatly appreciated. Rant mode off.

For the people that have no clue, please learn to keep your mouth shut so you don't look like an idiot.

Ryan



Modified by RyanA at 5:02 AM 6/2/2008

 

"This auction is for a used 96-01 Acura Integra LS GS RS Automatic Transmission, imported from Japan with low mileage. It is in very good condition."

It's not really an auto GSR trans. But oh well.

I doubt the car will be very fun to drive if it's an auto. Even if you managed to make good power with the B18C, it's stuck to a slow shifting, extremely long geared 4 speed.

If you made enough power to actually overcome the gear ratio's and make the car quick, I would seriously question the life of the trans. I'm sure it's possible, but I don't think it would be that fun to drive.

 

several shops sell automatic b16 sirII swaps. i would assume that you need an automatic integra trans mount and an automatic integra rear bracket, unless the swap already comes with the mounts. i had a friend with an automatic b16 swap so yes it can be done

 

This car obviously won't be built to be fast. However, it should pretty much murder any near stock D16Y8 5 speed car. I'm not doing this to be fast. I'm doing it beause I don't like paying Integra insurance, I like the Civic body, and am not a real fan of the D series.

I don't plan on using a GS/LS/RS trans. I plan on using either a GSR LSD auto or a B16 LSD auto trans. Yes, that's right, they offered an auto with LSD for the B16 and GSR overseas.

Still looking for some real input on this question. Thanks for the opinions though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Well, sorry to be rude, but if you answer every post like this one like this, that is the problem. You obviously have NO CLUE (which is obvious since you had to ask what axles you needed to use on a B series EF swap; this HAS been answered 1000's of times on here and can be found using the search function).
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If your car is lowered, you have to specifically use the 90-93 axles, if it is not lowered, you can use 94-01 axles, Thats why I made that thread to CONFIRM this fact as there is so much false information posted on this site. (94 axles are shorter than the 90-93's which causes them to 'pop' if the car is lowered)

[freak] me, since I did a motor swap in my civic in a gravel driveway with just basic hand tools alone IN THE SNOW, I must not know my way around a honda I guess






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See, there are other solid masses on the earth besides the United States. What's even crazier is we now have this website called Ebay (just came out last week) and they sell automatic transmissions from cars. I guess they come from a planet called Japan or Europe. Weird. Well, anyway......

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I'm well aware they sell them in other countries, if you read my post, you'd have seen that I know that...

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No, You don't know it can be done. There are NO automatic B16 motors sold in a civic platform in the US. (no such thing as a B16 automatic transmission <U>state-side</U> to my understanding)

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So next time, Read before you bash dick face...

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OK, anyone have any real info for me? More than likely, I'll be doing this in a 96-00. Any REAL information will be greatly appreciated. Rant mode off.

For the people that have no clue, please learn to keep your mouth shut so you don't look like an idiot.
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I no-where said "It couldn't be done" I simply said that I know an LS auto trans doesn't fit into an EG platform without alteration.

I was trying to get the point across that it would probably be cheaper to buy an automatic integra instead of trying to source a JDM Automatic transmission with decent gearing, and then put that into a civic...

Hence why I ended with:

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So the only automatics available would be from a Automatic FWD CRV, or Acura Integra LS, both of which have horrid gearing, and weak internals.

I don't mean to be rude, but this has been asked MANY times, and the answer is always the same.
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The ANSWER is (Since you didn't take the hint) "Yes it can be done, Anything 'can be done', but its not cost efficent, it will not hold power, and it would just be easier to teach the person to drive stick."

 

I don't know why people hate on an auto b-swap so much. Driving an automatic is nice, especially if you're lazy. Automatic integras and automatic civics do suck ***, but an automatic GSR in a civic would probably still be quick.

 

Depends on your own definition of quick I guess

 

The GSR and B16 trans are actually pretty cheap. You can get one shipped to your door for less than a B16 or GSR manual trans. Right from the beginning, if you would have read my post, you would have noticed I said Plan is to do GSR engine with B16 auto (if the B16 auto has better ratios than the GSR auto) So where you got I wanted to use a CRV (Yeah, that won't be fitting AT ALL) or an LS trans is beyond me. Thanks for trashing a post for a question that has never been clearly answered/documented.


So, fill me in how this is not "cost effective" especially when the wife wants an auto car because she had knee surgery and would rather drive an auto. Also, she does know how to drive a stick as she drives my B18C swapped 98 4 door with a Competition Clutch stage 4, she drives our built LSVTEC Civic coupe, and she drives her mild (around 500 flywheel hp) Camaro convertible with a 6 speed. Unfortunately, her knee gets to bothering her pretty bad and she'd rather drive an auto to work on a daily basis. I would say a GSR engine/B16 auto will keep up with a B16 manual swap, stock to stock. Definitely not "quick" but it is obviously going to be a lot more fun to drive than a stock D with auto. Once again, I would be doing this because the wife wants an auto to daily drive to work. I have everything to do the swap except the trans itself. So, that means i'll have around $500 in the whole shebang. Wish I could make it more "cost effective" as you say. I mean, $10 would be cool if I could swap the car for that, right? Unfortunately, I can't find a trans for that cheap.

Also, on your axles in an EF: You can use DA's no problem. I ran them in my turbo B16 CRX with NO issues and it had coil overs on it. Whether I had it at stock height or lowered, I never had axles popping or binding. Even during hard cornering. Could be the mounts I used, though, as different mounts position the engine in different places.


Modified by RyanA at 12:08 PM 6/2/2008


Modified by RyanA at 12:09 PM 6/2/2008

 

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well, a nice upgrade from stock. Probably faster than many new sport(y) compact cars.

 

Why don't you sell or trade her 500hp manual camaro and buy her an auto one since you're saying she has difficulty driving it anyways due to her knee (better yet, demod it, and trade it for an auto, and toss the mods back onto it)? Then she can have a fast, and fun car that she can drive daily.

 

Her car used to be an auto. Could not get it to hold for any reasonable period of time. Put in a 6 speed, Spec clutch, Centerforce billet steel flywheel, and a B&M Ripper shifter. It's a play toy, not a daily driver....

 

Also, I guess I should clarify. I bought her a 1998 Civic EX 4 door with an auto to drive to work. I just want to get another EX auto car and do a B series auto swap in it. She does have an auto to drive; I just want it to be a little more fun...

Ryan

 

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Seriously. I actually have a JDM B16aII but have an Integra auto tranny. Thing runs nice! The guys at ProStreet Imports did a nice job. Fun to drive. It won't win any trophy for the 1/4 mile but see if i care hitting 110mph when i'm barely hitting 4500rpms!!

 

are there different ratios for b-series autos?

 

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I assume so, each one different for each motor SiR.

 

I have done it on my 95 Civic EX. It's a straight drop, no motor mounts needed. The gear ratio is almost the same as the manual I raced a 00 SI and he was barely pulling away. Not bad for an AUTOMATIC. Very fun to drive, it gets at least 32MPG and it will GO when you you step on it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by apalma0609 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have done it on my 95 Civic EX. It's a straight drop, no motor mounts needed. The gear ratio is almost the same as the manual I raced a 00 SI and he was barely pulling away. Not bad for an AUTOMATIC. Very fun to drive, it gets at least 32MPG and it will GO when you you step on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Bullshit. Show me the numbers that say a honda 4 speed automatic is anywheres close to a B16 trans.

 

Jesus Christ. It's posts like this that make me not post here... The guy asked for help. Instead of giving him help, maybe everyone should ask him why he wants to do it or give him another option when his mind is already made up and he seems to have done most of his homework already. Or maybe better yet, STFU and let someone post a real answer for his real question. A bunch of stupid kids. [freak] me.

To the OP, PM me if you're still looking for help.

 

PM sent.

 

why not teach her to drive a standard?
learning is always a good thing

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nix94delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not teach her to drive a standard?
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reading comprehension owz joo!

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the wife wants an auto car because she had knee surgery and would rather drive an auto.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by apalma0609 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have done it on my 95 Civic EX. It's a straight drop, no motor mounts needed. The gear ratio is almost the same as the manual I raced a 00 SI and he was barely pulling away. Not bad for an AUTOMATIC. Very fun to drive, it gets at least 32MPG and it will GO when you you step on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no way the ratios are almost the same. I'm sure your car is lighter than an Si and that's why it was a close race, also B16's are notorious for varying a lot in power, so who knows. I spent a little bit of time the other day searching for the JDM auto gear ratios with no luck. I was under the impression that all auto b-series trannies had the same ratios. Still looking for more info.

I've read a few threads of accord guys going from H22w/ f22 auto trans to H22/JDM H22 auto trans and picking up 3/10ths in the quarter.

 

Uhh, yeah. As posted earlier in this topic, I think we already established that my wife knows how to drive a manual. She has for over 15 years. In fact, the only automatic vehicles we currently have is the Avalanche and the Civic I just got for her. Our convertible, my swapped Civic 4 door (Competition Clutch Stage 4; she drives it to work in stop and go quite a bit), my swapped Civic coupe (Exedy stage 1 so it's easy) all have manual trannies.

As said now by a few people, if you don't have anything that directly relates to the actual question, please don't post. I don't care if you think a 5 speed is faster. I don't care if you think she should learn to drive a manual (for the 100th time, she already knows) and I don't want to hear that LS/GS/RS auto trannies suck because that is NOT what I'll be using.

Thanks for the good input I have received from a couple of you. I appreciate the effort you have put forth. For the others, I'm thinking it's time for a Post ***** forum where you can post useless crap with no consequences.

 

Hi RyanA,

I was hoping you got the answers you needed for the swap, because I am doing the same thing in my 97 civic. Just with a B20 engine and 90-93 B16 automatic tranny instead. I am hoping you can help me, please respond as quickly as you can thank you.