Sorry to bother with a question I am sure you've all seen a thousand times.
I am at a crossroads with my B16A2... this is my 1st build so I'm not sure where to go from here. So far i've started out with the usual bolt-ons, (catback, 3" CAI, Engine torque mounts, aluminum fywheel, stage 2 clutch, and suspension)
I am planning on adding: CTR headers, new manifold & TB, ignition, cams, and converting to OBD-1 in order to re-map the ECU.
My question is whether or not adding all this crap will result in any real gains? Since I don't have access to a dyno I have no clue how much this will all do once completed... Would I be better off (cost vs reliability) just boosting the B16A2 and running it on stock internals w/low boost? I love that all motor sound & reliability is a concern, but if it'll cost me more than double the cost of the turbo and still not yield the same gains why throw my cash down the toilet? Any suggestions (based on experience pls) would be very much appreciated.

 

boost ftw

 

how fast you wanna be??? ll that seems ok... you won't be FAST but ok.
now get a fuel reegulator some cams and a good tune and you'll be around 170 to the wheels. not bad for an all motor b16. and thats on a weak sauce b16 block. get ready to blow your block hehe. then you can use that as an excuse to go b20 vtec and smoke turbo'd b16's.

 

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now get a fuel reegulator some cams and a good tune and you'll be around 170 to the wheels. not bad for an all motor b16. and thats on a weak sauce b16 block. get ready to blow your block hehe. then you can use that as an excuse to go b20 vtec and smoke turbo'd b16's. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

for power and reliability go turbo . get a good street tune on someting like chrome, look for a used kit or piece together it yourself. get 450 injectors and run 8 pounds and you'll be quick and cheap COMPARED to a low budget n/a build.
Plus if your b16 is already running great why rip it apart. for about 1000 bucks, searching for good deals on used parts, and doing most of the work yourself you can get you b16 to 200 hp. for 1000 in an N/A build that will prob get you to around 170...
or better yet...
sell the b16 and trans for around 2000, buy a d16 for 800 and use that money and some you have already and have a fast honda with a cheap motor so you don't have to stress about blowing a motor thats expensive

 

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LoL!

Out of the mouth of babes...

What you gotta ask yourself is... do I feel lucky today?

Well, do you?

Heh!

B16's are plenty fast!

But, if you wanna kill yourself, get a turbo... hands down, best way I know of!

Ahem...

You've been warned!

 

How fast do I wanna be.
Fast enough to blow the doors off an SRT-4 ACR... LOL let's say 250 whp (preferrably on N/A) I aint gunna put cheap / used paets in, I don't mind spending the money for good parts but I don't want to spend stupid amounts of money on N/A supplies when I can get the same power/ reliability out of a turbo set up (for significantly cheaper?) Hence my dilemma...I know nothing about turbo's (I understand how they work) but aside from that I couldn't tell you why a greddy is better than garrett etc.
I saw that jackson racing makes supercharger for the B16... ? But superchargers on hondas are pointless, no?


Modified by B16AGUY at 11:45 PM 5/17/2008

 

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Superchargers will give you grunt... that's why they they put them on tractors and busses...

The thing is, nothing happens on a B16 until you rev it anyway, so you might as well go with a turbo!

 

That's exactly what I had heard.
I.e. not enough low end torque.

So... If I do go Turbo (which seems to be the general concensus plastered all of the forums) what is the best way to go about it? I have been hearing loads of talk about the B16 being able to handle up 400 hp on stock internals... but I wanna play safe here. For 250-300whp (max) should I worry about getting a metal head gasket, head studs etc? Or just slap in a kit, get a better fuel pump + injectors, and get a good tune?

Note: this is a daily driver

 

I dunno how to "play it safe" with a turbo...

Personally, I'd just throw a kit on it, blow the rods out the side of the case - and take lots of pics!

10 seconds of fame, you know?

If you really wanna "play it safe"... play it safe and leave it alone!

 

The bonehead up top that says you will have 170 whp with cams and a fpr is smoking crack. The amount of money you need to spend on all motor parts to get nothing out of it is ridiculous. Spend 1500-2000 on a nice turbo setup like I did on my stock internal'd b16 and have some fun. Get yourself a good tune and you can do 300-350 all day ever day reliably as long as you...
A. Dont beat the **** out of it every day all day, except when your whooping those [freak]ing mustangs, and srt4's.
B. Maintain it with regular oil changes, plug changes, etc.

 

turbo ftw. and yeah, there are some b16's out there that can hold over 400 on the stock block, it all depends on how you tune it. so , tune, tune, tune, and .... tune, ftw.

 

honestly to be safe i wouldnt push too far past 300whp on a stock b16 block.... unless you like rebuilding engine often. also as you get higher in the horsepower the less dependable cars tend to get... now for boosted hondas its not usually a problem. making 250NA with a B16 is rediculous and with a third of the money make more power with boost... plus you get a blowoff valve. haha