going to be buying a car shortly to start in GS

power/weight is better in the gsr, but i dont see many poeple running them.
more popular seems to be the crx si and the ef/eg si's as well.

are there any reasons for this?

thanks

 

Neither, get a Mini Cooper S.

 

thanks for the useless post.
im asking about these few cars only.

 

Where do you want to end up?

The CRX can be very potent in STS2 and is almost competitive in CSP.

The GSR is a dud in STS and DSP IMO.

I have an 88 CRX Si that has been prepped to 95% of STS2 and is now at about 90% of CSP and it has been super fun in both classes. I have to say that I like CSP better because of the grip and the diff!!!!

 

really dont know where i want to end up. probably in club racing.
basically which would be better for the autox stock class for now? and why

 

The GSR is a great car and solid all around. I know some sick ones out there for track days. But when it comes to auto-x the CRX cannot be beat. the quicker steering ratio, light weight and how well it performs above its class you cannot beat it.

I say if your going auto-x and staying d series go CRX and you will be extremely happy with a gutted one,

IF not the GSR is a good car for the track. it needs work but so will the CRX but it has a great weight distribution for it.

Good Luck

 

and for track days, how do the two compare in stock form?

 

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The DC platform will be much easier to drive as the CRX is so short the body roll you will have running it stock is going to make it a tough to drive at the limits. For track days I bought a 96 RS and keep the CRX as our autox car. I felt the CRX was just a little too touchy at the limits while I was learning. Not that that's bad but when trying to break 5 years of autox habits at an HPDE make for some very educational off's.

 

right, im hoping to move up from GS shortly, and get into the higher classes and start doing track days as well. so it wouldnt be stock at that point, and im guessing it would be much easier to drive then..

 

also, why arent DC GSR's competitive in GS?

 

i raced my GSR in gstock for a year. Each club is different but I was traiting spots for points lead in class. I suppose if my car was prepped better and i was running my Ra1's (which arent really meant for autox, but are still much faster than my old and tired v700's) I bet it could have been a win for me, not to mention the koni's I run now and some freshened up brakes. The gsr has been extremely rewarding for me to drive in basically stock form.

A couple seasons ago i had a miata and raced against sts2 crx's and we were neck and neck. If i was a better driver I should have been stomping them, but it was not meant to be

I think you will have fun toying with either, as previous posts have stated, i think you will know which one you want to try when you know where you want to go. If it is going to stay in autox though, it's a toss IMO.

 

and if i also want to do club road racing also? then what would you all suggest, to be competitive.

classes dont really matter to me. i just dont want to be at a big disadvantage when selecting a base chassis.

 

the CRX Si is competitive in ITA

and the GSR now stands a chance in ITS, and by 09 you could probably drop an LS motor in it and run ITA.

The CRX SI is also really competitive in H4.

The GSR should make a great fit in H2, and that gives you a little tinker room too. Or you could drop the LS motor in it and run H4.


And then there is NASAs PT* class and the car could be in any class and probably be competitive.

 

CRX - the widest tires you can fit in stock class are 225 fronts and 205 rears. The obvious lack of power does not make up for the light weight. I ran my yellow car for a year, every event I could step into my friend's Cooper S and beat my time by over a second. It was a futile attempt in GS, you can't get it done with a CRX in a region with more competitive cars. CRX does very well in STS2, CSP and if you decide to go club racing ITA.

GSR - doesn't do as well as the Integra LS stock for stock in autox. I've driven both variants and the LS is faster. Again, you can't fit enough rubber on the car to keep up with more competitive GS cars. The weight also doesn't help the car much, it has decent power. In STS trim the car will be eaten by Civics and others, you could build a frankenstein car that could do rather well in DSP. Although personally in that situation I would start with a RS shell with ITR running gear. The GSR does very well in ITS, if the tub rule goes away then you could throw LS running gear in and run ITA.

Is that a better answer? Your posts indicate you want a competitive car right out of the box for stock class and sadly neither car will cut it if you are running a region with real GS cars.

 

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classes don't really matter to me. i just don't want to be at a big disadvantage when selecting a base chassis.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you may want to do some homework as to which classes each car is classed in and what is run in your area. But as you are just getting started I'd buy the cheapest one in the best shape of either car get in it and drive. It is much cheaper to buy a well sorted car when you are ready if W2W racing is your end goal. I has been said on this site hundreds of times just get to an autox get on track and buy a race car later. Building a race car will cost at least twice the price compared to buying one. Just food for thought

 

good advice. so then the crx or gsr for autox GS and then moving up to maybe prepared wont be much a difference between eachother

 

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Yeah there will be a differance of about $5000. All a CRX needs is a little head work, Diff and tune for power in CSP compaired to a ITR swap for the GSR in DSP. Both cars will need suspension, tires, seats, bushings..... so that part is moot.

 

I have a gsr that is running DSP for the second year. The motor is all stock and i have a blast with it. I was just a track day and ran the north course at pocono raceway in the rain. The car did excellent, putting high HP RWD cars to shame. However, there are cars out there that are more competitive but i have had a great time in my gsr.

 

Both will work well enough for you at this point. Get some laps in and in a year come back to this question.

 

just to add on to the great advice already given.

in stock form there are going to be faster cars in both cars' stock class "in theory"

i say in theory just because its going to depend on who's actually running at your local events.
In STS form my gsr is very competitive in the class in both clubs i run in, with my biggest competition coming from an is300 and a rsx. Granted when Andy Hollis brings out his Nationaly competitive EF civic si there is no chance in hell for any of us.(granted i think he would still win driving a school bus)

But for your specific need i think you can find a crx for cheaper than a gsr which is a good point made. Also a crx would defnetly be a competitive car in many classes STS2 & CSP (not familiar with RR classes) for cheaper than building a gsr for its competitive class.

my vote goes to the CRX

actually if i really had a say in it i would say 91 civic SI