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Trying to decide on a civic model! And after that, mounting a turbo kit! Need some help and advices

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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 03:26 AM
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Default Trying to decide on a civic model! And after that, mounting a turbo kit! Need some help and advices

First off all I want to thank you for accepting me on this forum. I think it's a great comunity.
I am 22. Now I am in Germany, and I've found a lot of beutifull honda's around here. But the one i'm interested is the Fifth generation, especially the Civic hatchback model.
The big problem is the engine. I think ( and here I need a specialist help ) the best engine at this model is the B16A2 ( 160 hp @ 7600 rpm ). Im interested in this engine because I think it's the most powerfull, fiable and good in this generation of Honda ( tell me if i'm wrong ) Maybe if someone can give me some advices, maybe the forth generations is better or something, i'm not an expert so this is why i'm asking for your help I am a beginner, so please don't take me so hard. I love everything that starts with H and ends with ONDA , but only now I have the posibility to buy one and invest in it.

What is this civic hatchback model weight ? this is one of the most important things in drag races. Is this the lightest model from all the generations ? How much can you lower the weight ? Is the fourth generation civic hatchback more light ?

After buying the honda, i've decided to modify it for 400 meters
Another problem would be the aftermarket pieces. The only way for me to take the pieces is the ebay.com What do you think about the turbo kits on ebay? The prices are between 600 $-1000 $ , are there good for something or not ? And what about the OBX lsd's ? ( i'ts the only one i've found on ebay ) The problem with de remap or chiptuning is resolved, I have a friend who put's Unichip and he told me he can help me, but I don't know what to say
I hope at the end I can get up to 250-300 hp, Do you think this is possible ? How much do you think I need to invest in the engine, tires, brakes, lsd to get to this power, and blast a few adversaries ? :D

I know this is disputable, but I ask now the users who have almost the same power, what is the 0-60 mph or 0-100 km/h time, and 0-400 m time they have done with their civic's ?

I have a lot of questions, about tires, and brakes and a lot of stuff but for now it is enough

I'm sorry for my english and for disturbing you all, but I have a lot of questions to ask, and I think this is the best place to start. Thank you very much and waiting for your answers.

With respect,

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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 04:39 AM
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If you're going to boost, Ebay is not the place to start. Those kits are cheap for a reason...they complete crap. In order to build a good turbo setup, you'll need $3-4000. Having said that, your stock B16 can make ~300whp and with a good driver could be in the low 12's or high 11's depending on chassis.
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 06:30 AM
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if you wanna run boost be careful with b-series.... the d-series engines might actually be a better platform for straight boosting.... unless of cours you want to change the pistons on the b-series or run race fuel.... check compressions.... b16=mid 10's a little high for boost, while most d-series have low 9's which is much better for boost straight stock.... of course there is always the aftermarket piston exception in which case the b-series is the stronger engine and an all-around better platform for building
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:24 AM
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Of course, if the D series ( 9:2:1 ) has low compression than de B series (10:2:1 ); the D series are better for turbo.
@btk2334 you are saying something about changing the original pistons with aftermarket pistons, and it's ok for me. but how much will cost the aftermarket pistons? And if I change the pistons I think that is better to change de injectors, and the camshaft too. And how much $ would be these ? What else i need tot change ?
Where do you suggest buying the turbo kit and other pieces ?
What about the weight of the car ? can you say something about it ?

Later Edit: I've been thinking about making a custom turbo kit. With a normal and modified Garret , custom pipes, boostcontroler, intercooler etc; and only to buy the most important pieces that can't be made like manifold, injectors, pistons, camshaft, etc. It is hard for me and also expensive to buy all of them from de US. Allmost all of the company's don't send in Europe. Do you think it can pe possible to succed? Thank you


Modified by MANIAC222 at 8:45 AM 4/16/2008
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:29 AM
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i went turbo with my d16 and the upgrades are enourmous... pretty much new fuel set up and a turbo tune on the ecu for a better fuel map... then there is always new cams, gears valvetrain... the sky is the limit but as far as bolting a tubro onto a stock engine.... d-series is better but if your are getting into a full build, such as changing pistons, the b-series is much stronger
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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I've been thinking about making a custom turbo kit. With a normal and modified Garret , custom pipes, boostcontroler, intercooler etc; and only to buy the most important pieces that can't be made like manifold, injectors, pistons, camshaft, etc. It is hard for me and also expensive to buy all of them from de US. Allmost all of the company's don't send in Europe. Do you think it can pe possible to succed? Thank you
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:47 AM
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I'll definitely have to disagree with the above. B series engines, although having a higher static compression, are much better platforms for a turbo setup. The engines are safe to around 300whp and have been pushed much further. D series engines on the other hand are only safe to around 220-240whp before their pencil thin rods give way.

If you want advice on your turbo build, check out the Forced Induction forum and you'll get good answers.
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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Amen, all i could think while reading is what schister66 said.

Get a b series, boost it. The b16a2 isnt the strongest engine. Theres plenty to go into an EH/EG all depending on your wallet.

theres another b16, the b16a, or sir II, its got 170 hp instead of 160. I wont even get into ls, gsr, type r, lsvtec, b20vtec, k20 etc.
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