Well Im pretty sure the b18c1 is better off, but is there anything you can get out of a b16a2 that would be better than the b18c1 besides gas mileage. Does a stock b16a2 loses badly vs the b18c1?

 

B16's might be slightly better for turboing, but stock?

B18c1's with equal modifications to the same car with the same weight versus a B16A2 is no comparison. The b18 has it on BOTH horsepower and torque.

No contest. B18C1 better all around stock. B18C5 even better.

Shawn

 

dont b18c1 have a 8k redline? correct me if im wrong.


-tell

 

b16a2 8200 rpm redline
b18c1 8200 rpm redline


[Modified by wrine420, 12:00 AM 7/11/2002]

 

the b16a2 is a torqueless bastard compared to the b18c1. the b18c1 might actually have a better mpg just because it has more torque and there lies where u get good mpg. if u have to rev a couple 100 more rpm's to get the same speed u won't exactly get good gas milage. i could be wrong tho


[Modified by wrine420, 12:05 AM 7/11/2002]

 

B18C1 is just an all around better engine.

 

The b16a has higher compression. It also weights a little less. the b16a2 has 105 horses/litre the b18c a little less.

 

A complete GSR swap is around $3500

A complete b16 SIR 2 swap is $2300

My first choice was a gsr swap but I called every engine importer for a month and no gsr swaps, unless I wanted to pay $4000 or wait a few months
So I got a b16 swap for a great deal, and in two days instead of two months. It's up to you..

 

Jesus H. Christ another B16A vs. B18C1 thread.

Here's a reply that I've copied and pasted a good number of times:

I've said this at least 50 times on this MB, but I'm sure those posts are long gone now:
I have owned all 3 of the common VTEC swaps in the exact same type of car.

1999 B16A2 from Civic Si coupe. It's in my girl's 1992 Si hatchback. Dynoed 143whp, 102ft/lbs. torque. Car feels great, but cannot compare to the other motor set-ups that I had in my 1992 Si hatchback.

1995 B18C1 from Integra GS-R. Had it in my 1992 Si hatch and it would romp her car all day long from any stop, roll, corner exit, etc. Dynoed 150whp and 122ft/lbs. of torque. True the gearing is a little more spaced than the B16A, but it doesn't matter because these motors have a BROAD powerband that compliments the taller gearing. This car busted 14.7 in full street trim even on shitty 16'' wheels/tires.

1998 USDM B18C5 from ITR. Had this after the B18C1 in the same 1992 Si hatch and it now resides in my 1992 CX hatch. This motor set-up demolishes my old set-up and most certainly rapes and pillages the B16A2, but then again it should. This dynoed 175whp and 123ft/lbs. of torque and busted 13.9@100.97mph in full street trim on street tirs in my Si hatch and ran 13.3@99mph on 20'' baby slicks in my CX hatch in horrible elevation and heat.

Cars being equal, the B18C1 was the overall best value though IMO. This is all relative on pricing though, so in my case my B18C5 didn't cost me a penny more than my GS-R swap because I got a killer deal from the ITR's orig. owner after he totalled it and bought it back from insurance.

Each motor is bad-***, and none of them feel slow. The B16A2 definately has to revved to **** just to get any power out of it, while the B18C1 has much more power down low than the B16A2 and even more down low than the B18C5.

I'll be back to check in on this thread, but I think I've got a very fair comparison since I've driven all 3 swaps in the same car under every condition imaginable.




[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 9:11 PM 7/10/2002]

 

Do you ever stop?? LOL.....I agree 100%

ALso with less torque you will need to rev higher getting up hill or up an incline which therefor takes up more gas... which means the b16a2's mpg is not as good as the b18c1

 

Yeah we need some d15b vs. b18c1 threads

 

My B16a2 made 148.4hp/106.3lbs of torque in a 92 Civic. Stock airbox, test pipe, and DC-2 axle-back. Those are my only mods. Ran 14.8 in a 1/4 both full interior and no rear seats on shitty *** oem michelins.

 

What? That just isn't true.

Even if you did rev it higher it wouldn't make any more power.

 

b18c's can actually rev higher than a b16 i have a buddy whose b18c can rev to 10 grand with no problems but his is highly modified but stock b18c can rev about the same if not alittle more than a b16

 

B16a (fully built) can handle higher revs due to its rod ratio. Best rod to piston ratio out of any B-series out there. Of course, I'm not talking about stock B16a rods.

 

Fully built they can both rev to 9500 safetly. Unless you are running some crazy *** cams there is no need to go beyond that point.

In theory, however, you are correct.

 

my stock b16a2 is making good power.....243whp 167ftbs

but a B18c w/ the same set up would be making even more.

I do like the B16a though, it's a fun motor, the only complaint I have with it is that @ 70mph you are at 4k rpm. that just sucks.

 

Try driving an ITR with a JDM final drive

 

anyone know where i can find a really really good price b16a2 or b18c1 in good condition??

 

LOL

 

Who cares about which one revs higher? If you aren't making power then what's the point?

 

Or an ITR tranny with an ATS 4.929FD.

 

oh boy. here we go again.




[Modified by ToneyTigre, 2:53 PM 7/11/2002]