how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage
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how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage
before you try to flame me, read the manual.
http://mkiv.com/tmp/emanage/emanage_...ual/index.html
i have been doing alot of research and i cant find really any thing to say hondata is better than the emanage. except for the stage 4 or stage 3. only because of the 2 step rev limiter. can someone give me an honest answer about this unit. for the price of this unit it and the stuff you get it is a steal
http://mkiv.com/tmp/emanage/emanage_...ual/index.html
i have been doing alot of research and i cant find really any thing to say hondata is better than the emanage. except for the stage 4 or stage 3. only because of the 2 step rev limiter. can someone give me an honest answer about this unit. for the price of this unit it and the stuff you get it is a steal
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (CovertFI)
E-Manage isn't a standalone though.. works off the factory ECU no?
EDIT: nevermind, I just re-read the title.
Remember one thing about Hondata (assuming I have this correct). Hondata rewrites your factory fuel/timing maps altogether, E-manage works by manipulating your stock maps and trying to 'bend' them in the way you need it to go. I don't know if that constitues one a standalone and the other not, but that I know is a difference between the two
[Modified by VTC_CiViC, 4:31 PM 7/10/2002]
EDIT: nevermind, I just re-read the title.
Remember one thing about Hondata (assuming I have this correct). Hondata rewrites your factory fuel/timing maps altogether, E-manage works by manipulating your stock maps and trying to 'bend' them in the way you need it to go. I don't know if that constitues one a standalone and the other not, but that I know is a difference between the two
[Modified by VTC_CiViC, 4:31 PM 7/10/2002]
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (VTC_CiViC)
so does hondata. but read the manual as far as i know it does the same **** as th e 2b but with software and data loging
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (CovertFI)
Hondata rewrites the ignition and fuel tables. It does not piggyback/manipulate the stock ones. I skimmed over those pages quickly, but I didn't see anything in there about the e-manage controlling ignition timing and the pages plainly state that you are manipulating the ECU's stock tables. With Hondata, you are not manipulating the tables...you are rewriting them.
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (Sonny)
http://mkiv.com/tmp/emanage/emanage_software_manual/greddy_emanage_software_manual/028.JPG
ignition timing
[Modified by CovertFI, 3:44 PM 7/10/2002]
ignition timing
[Modified by CovertFI, 3:44 PM 7/10/2002]
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (CovertFI)
E-Manage and PowerFC are the same
They ONLY do sensor voltage adjustment.
However, unlike the FC, the e-manage APPEARS to be able to control
a second set of injectors.
Hondata does injector pulsewidth adjustment.
They ONLY do sensor voltage adjustment.
However, unlike the FC, the e-manage APPEARS to be able to control
a second set of injectors.
Hondata does injector pulsewidth adjustment.
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (CovertFI)
so does hondata.
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (sgT)
E-Manage and PowerFC are the same
They ONLY do sensor voltage adjustment.
However, unlike the FC, the e-manage APPEARS to be able to control
a second set of injectors.
Hondata does injector pulsewidth adjustment.
They ONLY do sensor voltage adjustment.
However, unlike the FC, the e-manage APPEARS to be able to control
a second set of injectors.
Hondata does injector pulsewidth adjustment.
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Re: how can hondata be stand alone and not the e-manage (MiraiZ)
The emanage toy is like the EFI PMS -- it intercepts data sent to/from the ecu and plays with it. This means you are always fighting against the code in the ecu that wants to do things other than what you want to do.
For example, closed loop O2 control. You want to richen a certain area of your fuel map and disregard O2 feedback. If you were using the Emanage toy, and you added fuel in a certain area, the factory ECU would realize it was rich and would pull fuel back out, so your changes were worthless. Those piggyback units are an absolute headache to "tune".
it's going to intercept injector output and lengthen/shorten it, but it will not actually /change/ the code in the ecu.. it tricks your factory ecu, and not very effectively.
Dustin
For example, closed loop O2 control. You want to richen a certain area of your fuel map and disregard O2 feedback. If you were using the Emanage toy, and you added fuel in a certain area, the factory ECU would realize it was rich and would pull fuel back out, so your changes were worthless. Those piggyback units are an absolute headache to "tune".
it's going to intercept injector output and lengthen/shorten it, but it will not actually /change/ the code in the ecu.. it tricks your factory ecu, and not very effectively.
Dustin
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