Honda Prelude All Model Preludes

new head & cams but engine will not start?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:17 PM
  #1  
kadidle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 356
Likes: 0
From: CT, united states
Default new head & cams but engine will not start?

i just finished putting in my new reseated head with valves, valve springs ,retainers and skunk2 stage one cam shafts as well as a new timing belt balancer belt with water pump, but my car doesnt want to turn over. my timing is dead ***** TDC and new spark plugs, so asked a few friends one said it could be my ditributer being off 180 degrees but i looked in my service manual and it says the distributor is made so you can [freak] that up, 2 friends said that it will take awhile to turn it over, while the other graduate from UTI said no to try more than a couple times and force it?..... what should i do ?
Reply
Old Apr 2, 2008 | 11:20 PM
  #2  
ricerx614's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
From: columbus, oh, usa
Default Re: new head & cams but engine will not start? (kadidle)

air, fuel, spark. which one is it working? i know you replaced things, but...

is the distributor sparking to the plugs? is the fuel pump getting fuel to the intectors?
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:10 AM
  #3  
117's Avatar
117
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,336
Likes: 1
From: DFW Area, TX
Default

The engine doesn't turn over at all, or it turns over, but doesn't start?
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2008 | 06:36 AM
  #4  
98vtec's Avatar
moderator emeritus
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 16,357
Likes: 6
From: Cantonment, FL
Default Re: (117)

you can put the distributor 180* out, but you will have to force it in. The distributor should easily slide in as the part that slides into the *** of the cam is tapered.

did you verify that the cam timing is on?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The engine doesn't turn over at all, or it turns over, but doesn't start?</TD></TR></TABLE>

my question as well.
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:14 AM
  #5  
roller3804's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 894
Likes: 1
From: Fort Worth, TX
Default

Are you absolutely sure you didn't leave any harnesses disconnected on reinstall?
Reply
Old Apr 3, 2008 | 04:31 PM
  #6  
kadidle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 356
Likes: 0
From: CT, united states
Default Re: (roller3804)

just checked it out again today i have spark and fuel my timing is on i tryed jumping with another car, as of right now its turning over but not starting it "coughed" once or twice i check all the plugs and there is a plug unplugged in the back under my manifold that is short but doesnt have a female to plug into and looks capped off i dont remember unplugging it, and my valve cover ground was off but put that back on an still no start
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:50 AM
  #7  
Pullig's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Likes: 0
From: Pineville, Louisiana, USA
Default Re: (kadidle)

sounds like fireing order is off esp. if u gettin a cough
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:55 AM
  #8  
Giant_Bean's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 653
Likes: 1
From: Broad Brook, CT
Default Re: (Pullig)

If you used the diagram of the distributor cap in the Helms to set up the firing order, keep in mind the cap is pictured upside down, which will throw you off, and the motor will cough a couple of times(learned this the hard way)
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:37 AM
  #9  
Eddiebx's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,109
Likes: 3
Default

it's very easy to install the dist 180 deg out of phase if your not paying attention, seen it done a million times. if you confirm that you have fuel and spark, next i'd check is the fire order and/or if the dist was installed properly.
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:22 AM
  #10  
kadidle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 356
Likes: 0
From: CT, united states
Default Re: (Eddiebx)

can the distributor on an h22 be put on 180 degrees off timing because my manual says you cant put it off 180 degress
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:40 AM
  #11  
Giant_Bean's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 653
Likes: 1
From: Broad Brook, CT
Default Re: (kadidle)

Pull the cap off, line up cyl 1 at TDC, and check the position of the rotor, that will tell you if your distributor is 180 off, chances are it is not, unless it was forced in. By the way, where are you in CT, if you are close I can give you a hand.
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:56 AM
  #12  
Eddiebx's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,109
Likes: 3
Default

it has to be "forced" in to fit out of phase, but its not much force when someone attaches it wrong, and then proceeds to tighten it down using the bolts, which slowly bends the prongs into the cam slot.

it is probably not possilbe to push the distributor on by hand out of phase and have it flush with the side of the head, w/o at least some hammering or something, thus your manual saying its not possible to do.

however, like i said, it is very possible and i've seen it done plenty of times by either inattentive, inpatient or inexperienced people working on their cars.

the slot on the cam is only a few mm off the center line, which is why it will still fit the wrong way, just that the prongs usually end up getting bent slightly. we are not talkin about trying to stick a square prong into a round hole here.

the time u spend speculating if the dist can or cant be isntalled improperly, you could have probably taken it off time 10x already.
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 10:05 AM
  #13  
kadidle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 356
Likes: 0
From: CT, united states
Default Re: (Eddiebx)

yeah i did put the distributor in by the bolts so i could have forced it in
Reply
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 08:58 PM
  #14  
kadidle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 356
Likes: 0
From: CT, united states
Default Re: (kadidle)

so i have it running but now its pinging what would this be my timing on the belt or the distributor ? my timing on the belt looks perfect
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
tampabud
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
25
Dec 31, 2019 11:33 AM
raverx3m
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
10
Oct 14, 2013 04:49 PM
96delsol123
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
28
Mar 30, 2013 08:51 PM
graycivic
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
8
Mar 2, 2013 08:15 AM
blaze_cb
Tech / Misc
4
Feb 19, 2011 03:03 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:32 PM.