I have a 97 turbo swapped hatch. I am running e manage but I think it sucks and my drivability could be tuned much better with another computer. I want hondata but they dont make an obd2 computer. I want to still be able to get a sticker.

Are they any other options??

 

If you do, let the masses know.

 

Yah, let us know if you find anything.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 97 turbo swapped hatch. I am running e manage but I think it sucks and my drivability could be tuned much better with another computer. I want hondata but they dont make an obd2 computer. I want to still be able to get a sticker.

Are they any other options??</TD></TR></TABLE>

get a k series motor, and k pro.

 

Can't you run those on the D17's with the VTC disabled? I thought I saw something about that a year or so ago.

 

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yeah, you have to buy a custom cam gear for the d17, the cam pickup comes off the inside of the gear and the timing pattern is different than the k stuff.

 

yeah hondata offers k pro for the d17 as well. you need to run their modified cam gear. there are some changes that need to be made for o2 sensors etc. but yes it can be run.

 

Isn't AEM EMS OBD2?

 

my aem ems is obd2a... kind of... i mean it plugs into my factory harness with all my factory sensors but i guess so would a chipped p28 with a jumper... i dont know, someone correct me here

 

its obd2 but it doesnt pass inspection. its effectively the same as pluging in a conversion harness and obd1 ecu.

as i understand it the OP wants an obd2 solution that passes inspection, which doesnt exist.

 

So whats up hondata!!!!??????? When you gonna hook us obd2 people up???

 

The ecu in obd2 is essentially an emissions device.Any legit company screwing with it would have the government all over them.

 

Kpro is the only tuneable OBD-II solution for hondas right now. Unfortunately it is only availiable for K series engines without DBW. I would look into the AEM F/IC. Even though it's a piggyback, it seems to have more than enough features to get a good tune. If it wasn't so easy for me to switch back to stock for emissions inspections, it's the unit I would be looking into.

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCa...D=116

 

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Are they any other options??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have your E-manage retuned by someone else. It works fine, its a matter of who tunes it and if they're familiar with the system.

There's also the Power FC, but may be out of your range. Both are OBDII compliant.

 

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Have your E-manage retuned by someone else. It works fine, its a matter of who tunes it and if they're familiar with the system.

There's also the Power FC, but may be out of your range. Both are OBDII compliant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

We call it E-Damage The Power FC is a standalone and wont pass inspections So same boat as an AEM EMS

 

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Wrong, legit companies are screwing left and right with OBD2 ECUs. The problem with the 96-00/01 Honduh stuff is that it isn't OBD2.

OBD2 requires a reflashable protocol, and as such Honda of North America is in violation of OBD2 because their OBD2 ECUs of that era don't reflash. The only options available is pulling a tiny *** surface mount MCU off the main board of one of those ECUs, as it contains the program, and replacing it with an OTP or reflashable unit. It's been done... it's a freaking ******* unpleasant job even with a quality SMT rework station... but it hasn't become fluent because it's a nightmare solution.


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There's also the Power FC, but may be out of your range. Both are OBDII compliant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong and wrong. I'd send a turbo to you, but please don't tune anything that doesn't belong to you.

 

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Wrong, legit companies are screwing left and right with OBD2 ECUs. The problem with the 96-00/01 Honduh stuff is that it isn't OBD2.

OBD2 requires a reflashable protocol, and as such Honda of North America is in violation of OBD2 because their OBD2 ECUs of that era don't reflash. The only options available is pulling a tiny *** surface mount MCU off the main board of one of those ECUs, as it contains the program, and replacing it with an OTP or reflashable unit. It's been done... it's a freaking ******* unpleasant job even with a quality SMT rework station... but it hasn't become fluent because it's a nightmare solution.

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Any info on this??? Or is it not even worth digging?

 

I take it you're from Mass - here's what I do in MA running AEM EMS: swap the stock ECU & injectors in, pull the WG spring out, drive around until the readiness codes are set, then go take the test. pass the test, throw the AEM & injectors back in and I'm all set for 2 more years. easy.

 

I am from mass, I am from wakefield.

As for my issue.... It turned into a non-issue. I went for my sticker today and it was only safety.

I dont have any idea why seeing how this is my first time getting a sticker with this car because I just purchased it. I am not complaining though.

 

sweet! a non-issue until next year that is...

 

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Wrong and wrong. I'd send a turbo to you, but please don't tune anything that doesn't belong to you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why the hostile tone? I've used both, and have Power FC in 3 cars. 2 OBD2A and 1 OBD2B. I've always found from my tuners that it was a lot more in tuner error with e-manage and and the e-manage ultimate than usability or design. Perhaps I'm just a lucky one that has the right tuners at my disposal.

 

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That's what I did here in GA. I had the greddy kit and spliced in the blue box to the main engine harness w/ the stock ECU. Afterwards I just switched back to the AEM and 550's. I think the only way to have the AEM and be OBD2 complaint is to splice the two ecus together in the same harness. I think it would be a tuning nightmare, but it might work.

That's awesome about the Kpro and K series though. Hmmm...another reason to go K

 

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Why the hostile tone? I've used both, and have Power FC in 3 cars. 2 OBD2A and 1 OBD2B. I've always found from my tuners that it was a lot more in tuner error with e-manage and and the e-manage ultimate than usability or design. Perhaps I'm just a lucky one that has the right tuners at my disposal.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoa. The truth isn't a hostile tone.

I've tuned several of both. E-Manglage is a piggyback that you can nail for one single WOT boost setting due to the idiotic vs TPS correction, but any higher or lower and the tune skews. It's complete crap. If you knew this or had the basic EFI theory to understand this you wouldn't recommend it. Power FC is a great, if pricey, bare bones standalone but it isn't remotely OBD2 compliant. You will never pass scantool emissions with one.

If you have tuners telling you otherwise I wouldn't call them right, per se. At best they are yes men saying whatever they think you want to hear in order to tune your car, worst case scenario they are idiots. You may like what they tell you, but it isnt the truth.

 

the e-manage ultimate is a viable solution.. its finiky and takes a lot of work to get just right, but i have tuned alot of 350z's and 06-07 SI's and a wrx/sti every now and then with very good results

 

get the aem FI/C def the way to go for obd2 cars