Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

Hurt Piston. Is this ok?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:50 PM
  #1  
slacks's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,716
Likes: 0
From: South Jersey
Default Hurt Piston. Is this ok?

I was trying to push out a piston on my Ls block and accidentally chipped this corner.


would this be ok to run still? I couldn't get a picture today but the piece that broke is small and broke cleanly.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:00 PM
  #2  
eg8tuner's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
From: westbrook, me, usa
Default

i would think it would be ok but would file it to make sure its not going to score your cylinder wall

does this seem right to any one else?
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:03 PM
  #3  
VTEC_PRODUCTION's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,198
Likes: 0
Default Re: (eg8tuner)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg8tuner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would think it would be ok but would file it to make sure its not going to score your cylinder wall

does this seem right to any one else?</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:13 PM
  #4  
slacks's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,716
Likes: 0
From: South Jersey
Default Re: (eg8tuner)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg8tuner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would think it would be ok but would file it to make sure its not going to score your cylinder wall

does this seem right to any one else?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I was going to work it down if needed whenever i got it out.

BTW: Any suggestions on getting these things out? lol
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:15 PM
  #5  
Dasfinc's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,628
Likes: 0
From: Warrenville, IL, US
Default Re: (eg8tuner)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg8tuner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would think it would be ok but would file it to make sure its not going to score your cylinder wall

does this seem right to any one else?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree...

however small it may be, it means you now have one of your 4 pistons that weighs less, which means you will throw off the balance of the engine, which can screw up things in a big way.

and a single used LS piston is probably only a few bucks anyways

*Performance shops when they buy their pistons weigh them each to make sure they are all within a certain weight of one another, if they are not, they have to get a new ones made.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:20 PM
  #6  
slacks's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,716
Likes: 0
From: South Jersey
Default Re: (Dasfinc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dasfinc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree...

however small it may be, it means you now have one of your 4 pistons that weighs less, which means you will throw off the balance of the engine, which can screw up things in a big way.

and a single used LS piston is probably only a few bucks anyways

*Performance shops when they buy their pistons weigh them each to make sure they are all within a certain weight of one another, if they are not, they have to get a new ones made.</TD></TR></TABLE>

awww [freak] would a small chip throw it off that much?
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:25 PM
  #7  
EkFG's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 583
Likes: 0
From: NEAR YOU, WI, US
Default

yes, thats why shoppes balance them. You need a new one.
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:25 PM
  #8  
Dasfinc's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,628
Likes: 0
From: Warrenville, IL, US
Default Re: (slacks)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slacks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

awww [freak] would a small chip throw it off that much?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Honestly, I don't know how much it would throw it off, but I DO know that weight differences in pistons has an adverse effect on engines, so I'd play the 'better safe than sorry' game. If you already have it mostly apart you will be spending a fair amount on new gaskets anyways, you might as well drop the money on a single used piston, or just buy a full new or used set to not have to worry about the 'new' piston still being a different weight do to more/less use, etc...

Rule of thumb "when engine internals break, replace the whole thing"
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:31 PM
  #9  
.PLUMMM's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,214
Likes: 0
From: Midlothian, Virginia, United States
Default Re: (Dasfinc)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dasfinc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd play the 'better safe than sorry' game. If you already have it mostly apart you will be spending a fair amount on new gaskets anyways, you might as well drop the money on a single used piston, or just buy a full new or used set to not have to worry about the 'new' piston still being a different weight do to more/less use, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Pretty much the best advice you'll get. When it comes to engine internals, why not spend the few extra bucks to get a new part and not have to worry about the consequences of the originial problem? Do it right the first time so you wont have to tear it apart again. That would just be a pain...
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:46 PM
  #10  
Dasfinc's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,628
Likes: 0
From: Warrenville, IL, US
Default Re: (.PLUMMM)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .PLUMMM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Pretty much the best advice you'll get. When it comes to engine internals, why not spend the few extra bucks to get a new part and not have to worry about the consequences of the originial problem? Do it right the first time so you wont have to tear it apart again. That would just be a pain...</TD></TR></TABLE>

doing it right the first time with engine internals is so important...

I got an ebay headgasket once, and blew it an hour after installing it, which cost me another 3 hours to tear it all apart again, and I spent the same on the OEM gasket anyways.....
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:52 PM
  #11  
Frozen E's Avatar
H-T White Ops
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,876
Likes: 0
From: Nor Cal
Default

Maybe I just don't see it. Where's the chip? Did you just nick the piston skirt or did you chop off an entire piece?
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2008 | 08:55 PM
  #12  
slvrcvc93's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 751
Likes: 0
From: Linden, N.J., USA
Default Re: (Dasfinc)

Dont always listen to what you hear all factory pistons have a weight difference in tolerance all you have to do is take it to a machine shop and have them check it by weight to make sure if its within tolerance also this can be found in the honda chiltons manual if not they can take some material off the other pistons or add some back to that one its called balance and blueprinting it is on the skirt so it shouldn't be a problem but check it better safe than sorry This dasfinc guy is a retard and should be giving anyone advice because he has no idea what hes talking about but if you do decide to run with it i would file the edge so it wont scrap, scratch, or score the cylinder wall.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 04:54 AM
  #13  
slacks's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,716
Likes: 0
From: South Jersey
Default Re: (slvrcvc93)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IslandSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe I just don't see it. Where's the chip? Did you just nick the piston skirt or did you chop off an entire piece?
</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll get a picture of it today if i can
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:04 AM
  #14  
Shoot5Hole84's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas, USA
Default Re: (Dasfinc)

Agreed. Do it right the first time.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:36 AM
  #15  
JDM_SOHC's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,465
Likes: 1
From: 1,2,3,4 United States Marine Corps!
Default Re: (Shoot5Hole84)

yeah bro this is definitely not an intake or exhaust job.... this is a job that once everythings put back together, its a huge P.I.T.A. to have to redo all over again... id definitely say get the **** fixed first before u throw it in there... even if it doesnt matter an wont mess ur motor up that bad, id still replace it that way ur not ridin around town constantly hittin pause on ur cd player because u think u hear a new noise lol "am i the only one who does this"...
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:37 AM
  #16  
ProMotive's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,212
Likes: 0
From: Eastern, PA
Default Re: (JDM_SOHC)

It's not worth the risk. At the very least get all four pistons balanced if you want to re-use it.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:39 AM
  #17  
ProMotive's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,212
Likes: 0
From: Eastern, PA
Default Re: (JDM_SOHC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_SOHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ridin around town constantly hittin pause on ur cd player because u think u hear a new noise lol "am i the only one who does this"...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm the same way but I don't have radios in either car. New noises just bug the hell out of me
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 07:59 AM
  #18  
Juan_Mitosis's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 475
Likes: 1
From: San Juan, Puerto Rico
Default Re: (JDM_SOHC)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_SOHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah bro this is definitely not an intake or exhaust job.... this is a job that once everythings put back together, its a huge P.I.T.A. to have to redo all over again... id definitely say get the **** fixed first before u throw it in there... even if it doesnt matter an wont mess ur motor up that bad, id still replace it that way ur not ridin around town constantly hittin pause on ur cd player because u think u hear a new noise lol "am i the only one who does this"...</TD></TR></TABLE>


LOL I can pretty much almost never finish one entire track without pausing it and giving my car the face and listening in. Good luck dude!
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:20 AM
  #19  
JDM_SOHC's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,465
Likes: 1
From: 1,2,3,4 United States Marine Corps!
Default Re: (ProMotiveConcepts)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Juan_Mitosis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


LOL I can pretty much almost never finish one entire track without pausing it and giving my car the face and listening in. Good luck dude! </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ProMotiveConcepts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm the same way but I don't have radios in either car. New noises just bug the hell out of me </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah man i got a clarion 7" in dash with 2 competition 12's in the trunk lol, so im constantly on the pause button lol... theres like an imprinted fingerprint around that button on my deck cuz im like WAIT, what was that..!! oh n/m... WAIT, was was that..!! oh n/m ect ect... lol my friends get so pissed, they'll be jammin an **** an ill fawk up the whole mood with a quick lil pause hahaha i crack up but w/e they dont understand i guess...
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 02:47 PM
  #20  
slacks's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,716
Likes: 0
From: South Jersey
Default Re: (JDM_SOHC)

this is what i was talking about.
either way not much to worry about. another HT member is getting me a set so no prob

Reply
Old Mar 15, 2008 | 04:37 PM
  #21  
numberone's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,589
Likes: 0
From: Highland, CA
Default Re: (slacks)

Oh snap! Looks like a missing tooth! Good idea to go with new ones.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2008 | 09:53 AM
  #22  
Dasfinc's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,628
Likes: 0
From: Warrenville, IL, US
Default Re: (slvrcvc93)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slvrcvc93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dont always listen to what you hear all factory pistons have a weight difference in tolerance all you have to do is take it to a machine shop and have them check it by weight to make sure if its within tolerance also this can be found in the honda chiltons manual if not they can take some material off the other pistons or add some back to that one its called balance and blueprinting it is on the skirt so it shouldn't be a problem but check it better safe than sorry This dasfinc guy is a retard and should be giving anyone advice because he has no idea what hes talking about but if you do decide to run with it i would file the edge so it wont scrap, scratch, or score the cylinder wall. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Machine shops = $

a new set of used pistons = cheap/free....
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
EK4_K20
Acura Integra Type-R
11
Jan 30, 2008 01:18 PM
xxmikexx206
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
13
Dec 26, 2006 10:18 PM
Felliph3
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
6
Oct 10, 2006 07:13 PM
B18ls*RAYON
Acura TL, RL & ZDX
21
Jul 5, 2005 02:13 AM
sortofindian
Tech / Misc
4
Mar 30, 2005 03:55 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:38 AM.