Hey guys,
My cousin purchased an Integra Type R from a dealer 3 years ago. He looked for a long time for a clean TypeR and finally found one in a dealership in PA. He purchased the vehicle, but the history on the vehicle came back as a theft. The delaer told him that the vehicle was stolen, the car was unharmed. Nothing at all was taken, and returned. The original owner no longer wanted the vehicle so he had the insurance company purchase the car. The Carfax that the dealer had even stated that the vehicle was stolen, recovered and sold at auction. It had a clean title though. The car was soo clean and well maintained that he purchased the car thinking nothing of it. He purchased the vehicle, registerd the car, was issued a clean title and drove the car. Fast Forward 3 years.
He is reday to move on and goes to trade the car in. Makes a deal with and is ready to jump in his brand new TL Type-S. The dealer goes to check the VIN and he says the deal is off. My cousin is shocked and asks why. The dealer tells him that the carfax alerts this vehicle as having a salvage title and an accident. He reads the carfax and is shocked. He never saw this carfax before. He says that this must be a mistake because 1. He has a title in front of him and it is clean. Not slavge 2. If the car were salvage he never went to a salvage inspection so how could the car be registered. 3. He had an aftermarket warranty with the vehicle. How would they warranty a salvage vehicle. The contract clearly states that they wont.
He is outraged and the delaer says that he should hire an attorney. He has been calling around, but Lemon Laws and Dealer Fraud only apply to vehicle year 2002 and obove. He has a 2000 Integra type R. He is very confused and doesnt know what to do. He wants to get a new vehicle, but is basically hit with this road block. Anybody with a similar situation or can anyone offer any advice? I think this is a dealer fraud case but some help from you guys would be appreciated.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostede36 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey guys,
My cousin purchased an Integra Type R from a dealer 3 years ago. He looked for a long time for a clean TypeR and finally found one in a dealership in PA. He purchased the vehicle, but the history on the vehicle came back as a theft.

The delaer told him that the vehicle was stolen, the car was unharmed. Nothing at all was taken, and returned. The original owner no longer wanted the vehicle so he had the insurance company purchase the car. The Carfax that the dealer had even stated that the vehicle was stolen, recovered and sold at auction. It had a clean title though.

The car was soo clean and well maintained that he purchased the car thinking nothing of it. He purchased the vehicle, registerd the car, was issued a clean title and drove the car.

Fast Forward 3 years.

He is reday to move on and goes to trade the car in. Makes a deal with and is ready to jump in his brand new TL Type-S. The dealer goes to check the VIN and he says the deal is off. My cousin is shocked and asks why. The dealer tells him that the carfax alerts this vehicle as having a salvage title and an accident. He reads the carfax and is shocked.

He never saw this carfax before. He says that this must be a mistake because

1. He has a title in front of him and it is clean. Not slavge 2. If the car were salvage he never went to a salvage inspection so how could the car be registered. 3. He had an aftermarket warranty with the vehicle. How would they warranty a salvage vehicle. The contract clearly states that they wont.

He is outraged and the delaer says that he should hire an attorney. He has been calling around, but Lemon Laws and Dealer Fraud only apply to vehicle year 2002 and obove. He has a 2000 Integra type R. He is very confused and doesnt know what to do. He wants to get a new vehicle, but is basically hit with this road block.

Anybody with a similar situation or can anyone offer any advice? I think this is a dealer fraud case but some help from you guys would be appreciated. </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Hire an attorney.....

 

He needs a lawyer.

 

First of all, why don't you have him go get a carfax report for himself?
Assume that what you know is correct, and find the source of the misinformation on the report, and take it from there. You can also dispute things with carfax. Its possible someone just misreported another vehicles VIN and it got mixed up with your cousins car.

 

My cousin did obtain the carfax and it says that a a salvage title was issued right before he purchased the vehicle, but he has a clean title. Furthermore it says that vehicle was in an accident in 2004 and he was never made aware of it.

The carfax that the dealer showed him on the day he pruchased the vehcile had 5 reports. Date of purchase, inspection, registration, reported theft, sold at auction. Thats it. It never had accident, slavage title issued, etc.

 

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The carfax that the dealer showed him on the day he pruchased the vehcile had 5 reports. Date of purchase, inspection, registration, reported theft, sold at auction. Thats it. It never had accident, slavage title issued, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you have a copy of the carfax report that the dealer showed to your cousin?

Does the contract state that your cousin purchased a clean titled car?

Ali

 

I do have a copy of the carfax.

The dealer never told my cousin that the vehicle was salvage. In addition on the invoice and contract it doesnt say that the car is a salvage vehicle.

I was told that if a dealership sells a vehicle that is a salvaged car they must have it in formal writing. In other words it must be known that you are purchasing a salvage vehicle.

Also, my cousin never went to a salvage inspection so I dont even know how the car is on the road if it is a salvage title.

 

Sorry I jumped the gun regarding the last post. My cousin does not have a copy of the carfax that the dealer gave him. He has a current carfax in his possesion as of Saturday.

 

Get an attorney. Discuss it with him. He will be the one who will tell you if you have a case or not.

I think the buyer should have been MORE aware and placed something in the condition of sale stating the fact that the vehicle was stolen at one point. I think when the transaction took place the title was clean. As time went by, it went to salvaged. The dealership made a quick move (slim shady!) knowing the title would change.

On the flipside, it is partial buyers fault by accepting the vehicle knowing it was stolen. Buyer should have done more research before making a quick decision. This is called buyer ignorance.

Nutshell: We have a case of a shady dealership and an ignorant buyer.

 

I agree with what everyone has said. But going beyond that, he will spend more money with a lawyer than if he just tried to sell the car for like $10,000 if its in that good of condiition with that salvage title. I have been screwed by the dealership before and went through a process similiar to this regarding a $2,600 repair they did half assed, but its alot different getting a part replaced than geting compensated properly for the ITR.

You can try a lawyer and get his opinion, but without the original document the dealership gave you stating it was clean, you really have no case.

 

Man, that's a shitty situation.

Maybe God is telling him to keep the car

 

If you would have discovered the error within 1 year and had a copy of the original dealer CarFax, CarFax would have bought the car back under thier Buyback Guarantee.

It probably varies from state to state on the rules, but if the title was washed and issued a clean title, I don't think the dealer has to disclose the salvage. The logic behind that one: if your cousin got the car with a clean title (even though it was a previous salvage), so did the dealership(they can claim they had no proof it was a previous salvage). They bought it at auction with a clean title. Somebody else most likely washed the title and then sold it at auction.

You best bet is probably eBay. The car does currently have a clean title even though it previously had a salvage title.

 

yeah you know. the car is worthless now, you should just tell him to sell it fo me.

 

I think he is getting an attorney.

 

That sucks. Carfax is the first thing I check when buying a car. Sounds like shady dealership crap as always. Its all going to come down to what documents he signed (probably without reading).

 

carfax is not always 100%.
buyer/seller needs to be on guard, drop the ball- loose the game.

check with DMV and see what they say about the car, then contact a lawyer. Not some honduh website for legal advice.

 

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buyer/seller needs to be on guard, drop the ball- loose the game.

check with DMV and see what they say about the car, then contact a lawyer. Not some honduh website for legal advice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Truth.
With an old Civic that I no longer have. I was able to get around 1 accident and a theft without a single carfax entry on it. It can be done, easily. Take Carfax as rough guide and not as fact when looking at it. It really is just one more piece of the puzzle and not the whole conclusion.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by migs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get an attorney. Discuss it with him. He will be the one who will tell you if you have a case or not.

I think the buyer should have been MORE aware and placed something in the condition of sale stating the fact that the vehicle was stolen at one point. I think when the transaction took place the title was clean. As time went by, it went to salvaged. The dealership made a quick move (slim shady!) knowing the title would change.

On the flipside, it is partial buyers fault by accepting the vehicle knowing it was stolen. Buyer should have done more research before making a quick decision. This is called buyer ignorance.

Nutshell: We have a case of a shady dealership and an ignorant buyer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Thanks for all the help. I will keep you all updated as things move on.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick, but seriously if the car was stolen at one point and REPORTED, that is the main key and word, don't you think the title would be branded bad at a certain point in time?
It sometimes takes a while for stuff like accidents and **** to show.
I had an accident in my daily driver and it didn't surface on carfax till a year and a half later.
Sorry but it is too late and you are SOL.
You've had many indications of things that were to go wrong and you declined and ignored them.

 

The best thing IMHO is to just suck it up and sell it as salvage. If it is in good shape there are people that would ****** it up due to its lower cost. He may lose some money on it, but not nearly as much as if he were to trade it in at the stealership......who the hell trades in an ITR anyways, thats just plain dumb.

 

Just keep the car.