who all makes gram light knockoffs?
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (tealsvteceg)
Go a month or 2 longer and save your money and buy the real things. You be much prouder of them. Knockoffs like rotas and such are killing the import seen by flooding it with cheaply made/ **** poor quality controlled products.
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (japanjay)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by japanjay »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Knockoffs like rotas and such are killing the import seen by flooding it with cheaply made/ **** poor quality controlled products.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Where did u get this gem from. I'm by no means a rota advocate but the quality of rota rims themselves r no better and no worth then every other cast wheel. So saying cheaply made and **** poor quality is retarded....
Where did u get this gem from. I'm by no means a rota advocate but the quality of rota rims themselves r no better and no worth then every other cast wheel. So saying cheaply made and **** poor quality is retarded....
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (mrbigg9032)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrbigg9032 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where did u get this gem from. I'm by no means a rota advocate but the quality of rota rims themselves r no better and no worth then every other cast wheel. So saying cheaply made and **** poor quality is retarded....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have seen lots of pics of rotas that have cracked or even better yet broke completly from the hub with the spokes still attached while out on the track. Try to find one on an actually reputable brand, ie: rays, volks, buddy club, grams, zigens, desmonds, works, weds, then come at me with the question of where did I get that gem from.
Taken directly from import factor, Here is your gem dick:
For the millions and millions of knockoff fans out there, I suggest you read below. Recently, Chris from Speed Alliance sat down with Jim from Work Wheels to break down what are the possible hazards of purchasing knockoff..KNOCKOFF Wheels.
Jim broke down key elements to why and how knockoff wheels are not the best alternative for the consumer.
1. Casting control - The wheels are obviously poorly cast, the material possibly contains air pockets that cause the wheel to have weak spot. When a wheel takes an impact, the energy travels through the wheel, and when the wheel has a weak spot it would start to fatigue.
2. Design - Many copy wheels are not copied exactly the same as some originals. These are areas where consumer may over look, such as certain radius or angle on the spokes or back pad. The radius and angle plays an important part on a wheel’s strength. Example, a sharper radius corner will tend to develop crack over low radius if the corner wasn’t designed properly. So without proper engineering the wheel can fail under stress.
3. Material - Many imitation wheels out there may have done a good job copying other original design, but the materials are sometimes different. In most cases, imitation wheels use cheaper or lower grade material to cut cost. This will have devastating effect. The original designed wheel was designed and engineered with certain grade of material to support the engineering structure of the wheel. Even if a imitation wheel are copied exactly to the teeth, if the materials are not the same, the wheel will not achieve the same type of engineering integrity under stress and fail.
My thoughts - These companies who target copying original design products, sure have the talent to copy. If they would take this talent and incorporate with education and innovation, they can develop a strong brand image and company… I just can’t figure out why they don’t?
If you don’t believe it…peep the pictures below:
Looks to be the gt3:
Bet the car loved that when it slammed and grinded across the ground:
Everyones favorite copy the slipstream:
And how I feel about rotas, (really need to get this shirt and wear to meets):
One more just for good measures:
Modified by japanjay at 5:24 PM 3/3/2008
Where did u get this gem from. I'm by no means a rota advocate but the quality of rota rims themselves r no better and no worth then every other cast wheel. So saying cheaply made and **** poor quality is retarded....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have seen lots of pics of rotas that have cracked or even better yet broke completly from the hub with the spokes still attached while out on the track. Try to find one on an actually reputable brand, ie: rays, volks, buddy club, grams, zigens, desmonds, works, weds, then come at me with the question of where did I get that gem from.
Taken directly from import factor, Here is your gem dick:
For the millions and millions of knockoff fans out there, I suggest you read below. Recently, Chris from Speed Alliance sat down with Jim from Work Wheels to break down what are the possible hazards of purchasing knockoff..KNOCKOFF Wheels.
Jim broke down key elements to why and how knockoff wheels are not the best alternative for the consumer.
1. Casting control - The wheels are obviously poorly cast, the material possibly contains air pockets that cause the wheel to have weak spot. When a wheel takes an impact, the energy travels through the wheel, and when the wheel has a weak spot it would start to fatigue.
2. Design - Many copy wheels are not copied exactly the same as some originals. These are areas where consumer may over look, such as certain radius or angle on the spokes or back pad. The radius and angle plays an important part on a wheel’s strength. Example, a sharper radius corner will tend to develop crack over low radius if the corner wasn’t designed properly. So without proper engineering the wheel can fail under stress.
3. Material - Many imitation wheels out there may have done a good job copying other original design, but the materials are sometimes different. In most cases, imitation wheels use cheaper or lower grade material to cut cost. This will have devastating effect. The original designed wheel was designed and engineered with certain grade of material to support the engineering structure of the wheel. Even if a imitation wheel are copied exactly to the teeth, if the materials are not the same, the wheel will not achieve the same type of engineering integrity under stress and fail.
My thoughts - These companies who target copying original design products, sure have the talent to copy. If they would take this talent and incorporate with education and innovation, they can develop a strong brand image and company… I just can’t figure out why they don’t?
If you don’t believe it…peep the pictures below:
Looks to be the gt3:
Bet the car loved that when it slammed and grinded across the ground:
Everyones favorite copy the slipstream:
And how I feel about rotas, (really need to get this shirt and wear to meets):
One more just for good measures:
Modified by japanjay at 5:24 PM 3/3/2008
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (japanjay)
Originally Posted by japanjay
I have seen lots of pics of rotas that have cracked or even better yet broke completly from the hub with the spokes still attached while out on the track. Try to find one on an actually reputable brand, ie: rays, volks, buddy club, grams, zigens, desmonds, works, weds, then come at me with the question of where did I get that gem from.
Taken directly from import factor, Here is your gem dick:
For the millions and millions of knockoff fans out there, I suggest you read below. Recently, Chris from Speed Alliance sat down with Jim from Work Wheels to break down what are the possible hazards of purchasing knockoff..KNOCKOFF Wheels.
Jim broke down key elements to why and how knockoff wheels are not the best alternative for the consumer.
1. Casting control - The wheels are obviously poorly cast, the material possibly contains air pockets that cause the wheel to have weak spot. When a wheel takes an impact, the energy travels through the wheel, and when the wheel has a weak spot it would start to fatigue.
2. Design - Many copy wheels are not copied exactly the same as some originals. These are areas where consumer may over look, such as certain radius or angle on the spokes or back pad. The radius and angle plays an important part on a wheel’s strength. Example, a sharper radius corner will tend to develop crack over low radius if the corner wasn’t designed properly. So without proper engineering the wheel can fail under stress.
3. Material - Many imitation wheels out there may have done a good job copying other original design, but the materials are sometimes different. In most cases, imitation wheels use cheaper or lower grade material to cut cost. This will have devastating effect. The original designed wheel was designed and engineered with certain grade of material to support the engineering structure of the wheel. Even if a imitation wheel are copied exactly to the teeth, if the materials are not the same, the wheel will not achieve the same type of engineering integrity under stress and fail.
My thoughts - These companies who target copying original design products, sure have the talent to copy. If they would take this talent and incorporate with education and innovation, they can develop a strong brand image and company… I just can’t figure out why they don’t?
If you don’t believe it…peep the pictures below:
Looks to be the gt3:
Bet the car loved that when it slammed and grinded across the ground:
Everyones favorite copy the slipstream:
And how I feel about rotas, (really need to get this shirt and wear to meets):
One more just for good measures:
Modified by japanjay at 5:24 PM 3/3/2008
, aswell as an interview with a man who works for a company which is directly affected by the replica wheel idustry . in many cases "real" wheels would have failed aswell. do you know the reasons why those wheels pictured above failed? i highly doubt they were from just street driving. i own mugens, rotas, and konigs so i am not biased towards any wheel manufacturer in particular. if they work they work......... btw whats with the shitty attitude????
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (rextec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rextec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
3 isolated events of failure out of hundreds of thousands of replica wheels sure does carry alot of weight , aswell as an interview with a man who works for a company which is directly affected by the replica wheel idustry . in many cases "real" wheels would have failed aswell. do you know the reasons why those wheels pictured above failed? i highly doubt they were from just street driving. i own mugens, rotas, and konigs so i am not biased towards any wheel manufacturer in particular. if they work they work......... btw whats with the shitty attitude????</TD></TR></TABLE>
I just prefer a well known quality product, and piece of mind knowing that I dont have to worry everyday wether or not my car is going to get me to work and back. If you dig the cheap knock-offs then feel free to buy them, I am not going to point fingers and laugh. But, 5,10,20 years down the road when all the big name companies go under due to the market being flooded with knock-offs, who are the knock-off companies going to follow? Good quality products are becoming harder and harder to come by. Also with the market being flooded with knock-offs, it drives the legit stuff higher in price since less are being purchased. In the end people that purchase this stuff, are hurting themselves, the scene as a whole, the companies that are being copied, and the people that are willing to wait a little longer and save their money to purchase legit products. If people only realize that if more is bought the price goes down, less bought price goes up.
My 2 cents.
People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it.
3 isolated events of failure out of hundreds of thousands of replica wheels sure does carry alot of weight
, aswell as an interview with a man who works for a company which is directly affected by the replica wheel idustry . in many cases "real" wheels would have failed aswell. do you know the reasons why those wheels pictured above failed? i highly doubt they were from just street driving. i own mugens, rotas, and konigs so i am not biased towards any wheel manufacturer in particular. if they work they work......... btw whats with the shitty attitude????</TD></TR></TABLE>I just prefer a well known quality product, and piece of mind knowing that I dont have to worry everyday wether or not my car is going to get me to work and back. If you dig the cheap knock-offs then feel free to buy them, I am not going to point fingers and laugh. But, 5,10,20 years down the road when all the big name companies go under due to the market being flooded with knock-offs, who are the knock-off companies going to follow? Good quality products are becoming harder and harder to come by. Also with the market being flooded with knock-offs, it drives the legit stuff higher in price since less are being purchased. In the end people that purchase this stuff, are hurting themselves, the scene as a whole, the companies that are being copied, and the people that are willing to wait a little longer and save their money to purchase legit products. If people only realize that if more is bought the price goes down, less bought price goes up.
My 2 cents.
People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it.
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I don't know, rota seems to have come along way. Maybe they had one or two issues at the beginning. But right now them making 'replica' rims for Porsche 911s that are being tracked. $1300 for a set. If those guys are using them and paying that much money than something must be right.
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (japanjay)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by japanjay »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I just prefer a well known quality product, and piece of mind knowing that I dont have to worry everyday wether or not my car is going to get me to work and back. If you dig the cheap knock-offs then feel free to buy them, I am not going to point fingers and laugh. But, 5,10,20 years down the road when all the big name companies go under due to the market being flooded with knock-offs, who are the knock-off companies going to follow? Good quality products are becoming harder and harder to come by. Also with the market being flooded with knock-offs, it drives the legit stuff higher in price since less are being purchased. In the end people that purchase this stuff, are hurting themselves, the scene as a whole, the companies that are being copied, and the people that are willing to wait a little longer and save their money to purchase legit products. If people only realize that if more is bought the price goes down, less bought price goes up.
My 2 cents.
People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No where in this thread was the economic balance between knock off wheels and the real deal wheels in question. (not to mention probobly no one cares, do you own work, rays ect.. so who cares.. The question was quality of a cast wheel... The pictures you showed r broken, shattered wheels. Somehow I doubt the poeple who owned those cars were just driving along then BAM the entire wheel explodes for no reason....Come on.... Show me proof that rota cast wheels are in any way a lesser quality casting then any other of the millions of cast wheels (that by the way arent exploding during normal driving) on the market. And not some interview with a guy taht works for rays. Lets see some independant proof. There r tons of people that race for a living/hobby that use rotas and other cast wheels.. By the way lose the attitude DICK..
tealsvteceg just to answer ur question i think you might be talking about these but I may be wrong http://rotawheels.com/flight.php
Modified by mrbigg9032 at 9:14 PM 3/3/2008
I just prefer a well known quality product, and piece of mind knowing that I dont have to worry everyday wether or not my car is going to get me to work and back. If you dig the cheap knock-offs then feel free to buy them, I am not going to point fingers and laugh. But, 5,10,20 years down the road when all the big name companies go under due to the market being flooded with knock-offs, who are the knock-off companies going to follow? Good quality products are becoming harder and harder to come by. Also with the market being flooded with knock-offs, it drives the legit stuff higher in price since less are being purchased. In the end people that purchase this stuff, are hurting themselves, the scene as a whole, the companies that are being copied, and the people that are willing to wait a little longer and save their money to purchase legit products. If people only realize that if more is bought the price goes down, less bought price goes up.
My 2 cents.
People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No where in this thread was the economic balance between knock off wheels and the real deal wheels in question. (not to mention probobly no one cares, do you own work, rays ect.. so who cares.. The question was quality of a cast wheel... The pictures you showed r broken, shattered wheels. Somehow I doubt the poeple who owned those cars were just driving along then BAM the entire wheel explodes for no reason....Come on.... Show me proof that rota cast wheels are in any way a lesser quality casting then any other of the millions of cast wheels (that by the way arent exploding during normal driving) on the market. And not some interview with a guy taht works for rays. Lets see some independant proof. There r tons of people that race for a living/hobby that use rotas and other cast wheels.. By the way lose the attitude DICK..
tealsvteceg just to answer ur question i think you might be talking about these but I may be wrong http://rotawheels.com/flight.php
Modified by mrbigg9032 at 9:14 PM 3/3/2008
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Re: who all makes gram light knockoffs? (mrbigg9032)
i have yet to understand the sincere hatred some of these members have for rota. drag and konig do the exact same thing along with countless other companies, why arent they also targeted in your hate rant? the destroyed wheels you posted were obviously put into an extreme situation where the stresses on the wheel were to great and it failed at the spokes (weakest part of the wheel). i bet if you took a similar authetic wheel and put it through the same abuse it would fail as well. although i would love to buy an authentic set, i simply cannot justify dumping 2k just for some freakin wheels that will get dirty, corroded, and torn up when i can spend 400 for the exact same set minus the cool mugen name. unless you have something constructive and relative to the op's original post take ur rota hate and gtfo
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People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
tons of ppl who race rock rotas and knockoff wheels
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People that race for a living dont run this stuff for a reason, their income and lives(safety) depends on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
tons of ppl who race rock rotas and knockoff wheels
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i've seen WAY more ssr's break/bend/crack than rota, ever
but then again, i've seen all brands bend and crack....why? stupid people that drive on them
there is NOTHING wrong with running rotas. show me PROOF of flaws, instead of isolated events that there is no real back story to.
you hit a curb at 50, and just about any rim you have is gonna die...if it's aluminum.
you rota haters are idiots, you think unless it's "brand name" it's crap
idiots.
but then again, i've seen all brands bend and crack....why? stupid people that drive on them
there is NOTHING wrong with running rotas. show me PROOF of flaws, instead of isolated events that there is no real back story to.
you hit a curb at 50, and just about any rim you have is gonna die...if it's aluminum.
you rota haters are idiots, you think unless it's "brand name" it's crap
idiots.
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Hi, I've seen a custom fikse wheel break in the exact same way as the above rotas. I had to dodge the thing as it hurtled towards me well in excess of 100mph.
Japanjay, get your head out of your *** and try to not be quite so abrasive... It is possible to have a non-heated discussion on the internet.
Japanjay, get your head out of your *** and try to not be quite so abrasive... It is possible to have a non-heated discussion on the internet.
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Japanjay, get your head out of your *** and try to not be quite so abrasive... It is possible to have a non-heated discussion on the internet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think we r the only 2 that understand that...
Japanjay, get your head out of your *** and try to not be quite so abrasive... It is possible to have a non-heated discussion on the internet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think we r the only 2 that understand that...
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