i want 300hp+. i want to know would it be cheaper to get K or do it on d17 vtec/lx?

 

Well a K series puts out some power that you can build up on when you have the time.
and then there is always the option of doing a turbo and building your d series.

K series+turbo
D Series+turbo

Either way you should be able to reach your goals.

 

Theres actually a sticky, in the FAQ if you wanna do it with the D17. Check there for everything first.

 

ill do that but if anyone knows which is cheaper let me now bc ill be happy with 300 +.

 

Edit: Nvm

 

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There's no such thing as cheap when dealing with 300+ WHP on an em2/es1/es2

 

I would do the K-series without question.

1) Ultimately probably more reliable (less strain)
2) You still won't have torque with the D-series
3) K-series is capable of more power later on
4) K-series is ballin, D-series is not

 

Everyone is jumping to K i honestly would give more respect to the guy with the 350whp D than the 350 whp K.. its different... and who says the D isnt reliable?... they're D's out there putting out more than 350whp that havent died out.. not everyone is looking for a 500whp car ..so if not save your money and stick with the D or get a F'ing GTO or Mustang

 

IMO don't think you would actually save that much money doing a full engine build up and a hardcore turbo setup for the d17.

a 350whp D would definitely be harder to DD than a 350whp K.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1llmatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO don't think you would actually save that much money doing a full engine build up and a hardcore turbo setup for the d17.

a 350whp D would definitely be harder to DD than a 350whp K.

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Agreed.

OP why go cheap on something this big. You're in for an epic failure on so many levels with that attitude.

 

i love uneducated noobs.

 

im close to 300hp NA daily Driven haha

 

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1) Ultimately probably more reliable (less strain)
2) You still won't have torque with the D-series
3) K-series is capable of more power later on
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If it's tuned well, it will still be very reliable.

Since when does a SOHC engine not create adequate torque?

K-series is also a lot more work and money.

I believe the rest of the car world would consider a $4000 swap for 200 HP to be 'retarded' not 'ballin'.

 

also u gotta consider the price of the k, the swap, and the turbo kit. but the k is a better platform for a turbo

 

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If it's tuned well, it will still be very reliable.

Since when does a SOHC engine not create adequate torque?

K-series is also a lot more work and money.

I believe the rest of the car world would consider a $4000 swap for 200 HP to be 'retarded' not 'ballin'.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A well built and tuned D17 can be perfectly reliable, absolutely. But you can't tell me it'll hold up as well as a K-series built and tuned with similar attention taken, and that is making the same power with bolt-ons, k-pro and a set of cams.

SOHC isn't the culprit of the torque dearth, it's 1700cc's trying to motivate 2600 pounds. Even if you boost it, you'll get the peak torque up but the power band will be far less desireable than you'll find on a K.

To each their own.

 

lmao aahhh..
wish i had the money to afford a k20 engine swap and etc..
too bad i dont.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D17alltheway &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everyone is jumping to K i honestly would give more respect to the guy with the 350whp D than the 350 whp K.. its different... and who says the D isnt reliable?... they're D's out there putting out more than 350whp that havent died out.. not everyone is looking for a 500whp car ..so if not save your money and stick with the D or get a F'ing GTO or Mustang</TD></TR></TABLE>

Considering no K-series comes with 350whp from the factory, I'd have to disagree. It still takes as much engine building prowess to get a K-series to 350whp, as it does a D-series. And, on top of that, you have to swap in the entire drivetrain, just to get the K-series in your car. Therefore, I have more respect for the 350whp K-series, than any 350whp D-series.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toyomatt84 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Considering no K-series comes with 350whp from the factory, I'd have to disagree. It still takes as much engine building prowess to get a K-series to 350whp, as it does a D-series. And, on top of that, you have to swap in the entire drivetrain, just to get the K-series in your car. Therefore, I have more respect for the 350whp K-series, than any 350whp D-series.</TD></TR></TABLE> First, who the hell said it came with 350whp? but on the more serious note..Why respect the guy with the K?? cause there spending more money?? thats a retarted reason...why not give respect to the person whose being different?? and like they said earlier.. with proper tuning a D can be very reliable. No one actually knowbs where the D tops out at so stop making up numbers. And at the price for the k swap (5900-8900; depending on if you diy) you can boost and properly tune a D with internals and mani so why not? maybe have so money left over at that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D17alltheway &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> First, who the hell said it came with 350whp? but on the more serious note..Why respect the guy with the K?? cause there spending more money?? thats a retarted reason...why not give respect to the person whose being different?? and like they said earlier.. with proper tuning a D can be very reliable. No one actually knowbs where the D tops out at so stop making up numbers. And at the price for the k swap (5900-8900; depending on if you diy) you can boost and properly tune a D with internals and mani so why not? maybe have so money left over at that</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. You don't need to have so much attitude in your posts. Especially since I wasn't attacking you personally.

2. You're the one who stated the 350whp in the first place. I was only posting the K-series 350whp as a comparison model.

3. Money was never mentioned in my post, as it was clearly aside from the argument you had with your "D-series" comment. I was stating my opinion, based on knowledge of the builder, and effort needed for the power figures <u>you</u> listed.

4. Respect should be given for people who work hard to achieve goals, hence why I posted the "K-series" side of argument.

5. I never made up a "D-series top number", so you can just keep that comment to yourself.

6. The only D17's I've seen make 300+ hp, have had prices in the $10k + range, which is roughly what you'd spend to make a K-series swap perform in the same hp range, only with much stronger torque figures.


PS. Consider yourself warned, D17alltheway. The commentary you made was completely unnecessary and rude.

 

10k on d.....that is something..

 

if you want that much horsepower you better off getting another car fr the price you would have in it. Atleast in my opinion

 

im into my k24 4k and im close to 300hp

 

well 10-12k is alot for upgrading and etc for gettin 300.
thats why im hesitating on buying d series performance mods parts for my car because the results arent thhhat great. sure they are to some point but..i dunno.
come to think of it, i mite have to start from buyin mods for my civic just so i can learn more or somethin. have to start somewhere lol..
ill see what plans i have for my car in the future

 

imo they will be both really high just depends on where you want to start your base hp I have been pricing many options for that hp I think if you did either one the right way with no short cuts prob be fairly close to the same price but good luck on whatever route you take

d17 around 115
k20 around 200

 

You can get 300hp with a D and a K. It all depends on how big your wallet is and how dedicated you are to the project.