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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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I have my 01 LX in a shop and 320cc rsx injectors aren't fitting, what injectors or what brand can I use and if not, what is my flow rate now? some say 270 , some say 240.
K-pro is being installed now, need help guys...........
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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the rsx injectors are 310CC and they should fit people use them all the time.

for my turbo setup i'm running RC 550cc injectors
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 07:45 AM
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the rsx injectors is what the fellas have at the shop, they don't seal.....they called me and sayd that they don't fit. not sure whats goin on but that's what the impression I was at that the 320's fit......
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 07:49 AM
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pretty sure all you need to install the RSX-S injectors is longer mounting bolts
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:21 AM
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i had another thought maybe check the o rings to make sure there intact?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:29 AM
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yea they are intact, the rsx injectors, they say, are toolong and the end is a different size as well. they just called and the k-pro will work with my stock 270cc injectors. would love to know how to fit the rsx injectors in though.. this sucks, the car needs to be ready for dyno tomorrow.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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they just called RC tech and they said that the d17a1 injectors where tested at 270cc.and that there is no injector for that engine to fit properly, but they said the 270cc are plenty for what they need.under 250hp they will do. 6 psi of boost. Just would love the extra cc from the rsx injectors for future tunning ya know.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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i have a hard time believeing the RSX injectors wont work. they are the most popular ones for ppl to use. I know some ppl use the SRT4 injectors.

The only other things i can think of are maybe the D17A1 and D17A2 have different injectors but i doubt the only ppl using them have teh A2.
or that there is a difference between RSX-S injectors and otehr RSX injectors like for the type R. you've got me stumped tho.

my tuner said that bigger is better. i to am runnign Kpro and am using 550cc targeting around 200whp to begin with. the problem with running stock injectors is that you'll be running them damn near constatly which will encourage lean spots and detonation.

My advice would be to postpone going on the dyno until you get bigger injectors in there

EDIT: i know there are ppl on this board far more knowlegable then me so maybe they'll be able to help more.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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could very well be that the d17a1 is different, most guys do only turbo their a2's. and the funny thing is that RC is one of the biggest injector companys and they said that thee is NO app for my car. Not even something that can be modified.I KNOW I am stumped now too. all this money and no new injectors.. grrrr. lol . My tech said that he is very confident however that the stock injectors will do very good with the k-pro and only at 6 psi.. And don't worry, he is road testing today and if it doesn't hold , we will have to come up with something else. lol. what a blast huh. I am 1200 miles away from home, tuning my damn car.lol
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anonnonator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they just called RC tech and they said that the d17a1 injectors where tested at 270cc.and that there is no injector for that engine to fit properly, but they said the 270cc are plenty for what they need.under 250hp they will do. 6 psi of boost. Just would love the extra cc from the rsx injectors for future tunning ya know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats a load of BS. Stock injectors can barely push enough fuel for 3psi of boost, RSX injectors drop right in if you use longer studs, and SRT injectors, RCs, Precisions and others have all been used with zero modification to the rail or injector plate aside from longer studs. If it fits the RSX, it fits the Civic.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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thank you boiler i knew i wasnt loosing my mind
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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well that puts a damper on things
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:32 AM
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i think id go have a word with the guy doing the install and possibly put a call into RC with the guy present to call him out on it.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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that was done, RC assured me, there is NO match for my 2001 civic LX Sedan, D17A1. PERIOD. maybe for everyone tuning vtec engines, it may work. But so far, nothing on my car.......
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anonnonator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that was done, RC assured me, there is NO match for my 2001 civic LX Sedan, D17A1. PERIOD. maybe for everyone tuning vtec engines, it may work. But so far, nothing on my car.......</TD></TR></TABLE>

longer studs dude....it's been said like 3 times. You can buy whatever flowrate you want from RC, just order it for the RSX instead of the D17.

stoooops

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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 07:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thehatchninja &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

longer studs dude....it's been said like 3 times. You can buy whatever flowrate you want from RC, just order it for the RSX instead of the D17.

stoooops

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stoooops huh. well before we call eachother stupid on these forums, I believe this place isfor gathering info and sharing info. I have a ES1 engine, I believe that the RSX type S injectors are too long. that my TPS is in the way. NO? well you tell me if you know bro. what type engine do you have? what type engine does everyone here have? EM2? with turbo and type S injectors, fine. But mine is a ES1.. soo...anyone else out there with a ES1 turbo????
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 07:36 AM
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the engine in the es1/2 is the same as the em2. its just a matter of if you have D17A1 or D17A2.

have you researched to see if the A1 and A2 fuel rails are the same? if not could you possibly put an A2 rail on ur A1?
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 07:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daddy2be &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the engine in the es1/2 is the same as the em2. its just a matter of if you have D17A1 or D17A2.

have you researched to see if the A1 and A2 fuel rails are the same? if not could you possibly put an A2 rail on ur A1?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, we already have tryed looking into that, he has a em2 sitting on the floor. However, it doesn't seem to fit. They are gonna try and do some creative custom work to get everything fitting. shitty thing is that everyone here always assumes that all d17's where created equal. they aren't. K-pro is in, and everything is a ok, except the computer cutts out at 4500 rpms still, Hondata thinks it may be the injectors, (stock 270cc). they don't support it. MAYBE... trying that theory out today. That's why all this comotion about my injectors.. oh and my engine is the d17a1 ES1.
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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dumb question im sure its already been answered and toyomatt is gonna have a remark but injector size has been covered what are options for fuel system up grades for the d17a1. im not running boost i just was thinking of doing a little upgrades for a lil more power. can i just up grade the injectors, or do i need the whole shebang (fuel rail, pressure regulator and pump) if im not boosting
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by austinwb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dumb question im sure its already been answered and toyomatt is gonna have a remark but injector size has been covered what are options for fuel system up grades for the d17a1. im not running boost i just was thinking of doing a little upgrades for a lil more power. can i just up grade the injectors, or do i need the whole shebang (fuel rail, pressure regulator and pump) if im not boosting</TD></TR></TABLE>

not quite sure why ur slamming on matt but at any rate,
your not gonna see any improvement in performance but just increaseing your injector size. for one thing the stock ecu wouldnt know what to do with the added fuel
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 02:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anonnonator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yea, we already have tryed looking into that, he has a em2 sitting on the floor. However, it doesn't seem to fit. They are gonna try and do some creative custom work to get everything fitting. shitty thing is that everyone here always assumes that all d17's where created equal. they aren't. K-pro is in, and everything is a ok, except the computer cutts out at 4500 rpms still, Hondata thinks it may be the injectors, (stock 270cc). they don't support it. MAYBE... trying that theory out today. That's why all this comotion about my injectors.. oh and my engine is the d17a1 ES1.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your engine is indeed a d17a1 but not an es1. thats your chassis code. your motor is in the LX and DX models and they have been boosted plenty of times.
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Old Feb 28, 2008 | 02:29 PM
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Oh for the love of god.... I know and HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN 2 D17A1 motors using aftermarket injectors, Edwin was using RSX injectors, he now has RDX injectors (which also happen to be smaller than RSX ones, despite the higher flow). Andy was running RSXs, and is now running...... RC 750s. The fuel rail is the same. the only difference in the injector plate is the lack of an EGR channel.
I am running Precision 42 lb/hr injectors for domestic cars, they dropped right in (with the precision electrical clips).
You get bolts or studs long enough to hold the rail on.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUE using aftermarket injectors.


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Old Feb 18, 2011 | 04:37 AM
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i have a d17a1 and all i had to do is longer bolts
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