For a while now ive wanted to lower my car..i finally got about 650 saved up to do so. Now im just unsure if i should go with the whole coilover way so i can raise it back up in the winter or just get the springs to lower it.. although im looking for a 2.5 inch drop and i dont know if springs can go that low.. also my car already rights pretty shitty real bumpy and pulls to hte right hard .. so any help and possibly products would be appreciated..

 

IMO if you could afford to go coilover... do it. I got my first set about 3 months ago. I bought some K sport Coilovers for just under $600 and I love em.. They are 32 way adjustable and the ride is considerably nice and aggressive for the price.

just my 02.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chillmatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For a while now ive wanted to lower my car..i finally got about 650 saved up to do so. Now im just unsure if i should go with the whole coilover way so i can raise it back up in the winter or just get the springs to lower it.. although im looking for a 2.5 inch drop and i dont know if springs can go that low.. also my car already rights pretty shitty real bumpy and pulls to hte right hard .. so any help and possibly products would be appreciated..</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're serious about lowering your car, do it once and do it right. You'll need a good set of adj. springs/shocks and with a 2.5 inch drop, your spring rates will have to be pretty stiff.

Since your car is already having suspension related issues, I'd utilize some of that money you have to fix whatever issues the car has. Then save for a quality set up.

Hang out in the suspension forum. You'll learn a lot.

 

Go coilovers.

I'd fix some of the issues you have first though.

 

Word. Sounds like he could use an alignment..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Thateguhate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO if you could afford to go coilover... do it. I got my first set about 3 months ago. I bought some K sport Coilovers for just under $600 and I love em.. They are 32 way adjustable and the ride is considerably nice and aggressive for the price.

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K-Sport/D2 coilovers are the worst suspension pieces I have ever installed for anyone. I wouldn't suggest them to my enemies

If you want your car to handle well, you don't lower it 2.5 inches. If you want to lower it 2.5 inches, you don't care about handling, and thus should just put GC sleeves on your stock shocks until they blow, rinse and repeat with the cheapest Autozone shocks you can find.

I suggest KYB AGX/H&R Sport Integra springs for a Civic if you want it to handle well on a budget. The setup shouldn't cost more than $500 total and you'll outhandle most cars with full coilovers.

If you have more to spend, Koni Yellows and Eibach/GCs with custom rates (400/400 is popular) is your best bet. It'll still come in under the cost of a Tein SS setup and it'll do WAY better on track.

 

as for my suspension problems i dont think its to bad i had an alignment done and it helped the pull to the right.. somone told me i could use a new tie rod.. also my car is not fast or track worthy.. stock d16 automatic.. i just want a nice clean look.. i have 16s with low pro tires and about 2-3 inches of wheel well to play with.. this is more of a look wise upgrade not for performance.. shes my daily driver

 

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K-Sport/D2 coilovers are the worst suspension pieces I have ever installed for anyone. I wouldn't suggest them to my enemies

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k sports/d2's have been redesigned...!!!!! best coilovers i ever rode on since the redesign.

since this ur daily just get some ebay springs...many ppl have them with no probs

 

Ksport/D2= CRAP plain and simple. For the money you could do much better.
I don't care if they've been redesigned.

And E-bay coilovers...

 

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K-Sport/D2 coilovers are the worst suspension pieces I have ever installed for anyone. I wouldn't suggest them to my enemies

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93EGB18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ksport/D2= CRAP plain and simple. For the money you could do much better.
I don't care if they've been redesigned.

And E-bay coilovers...

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why is this??

 

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Where to start...

They all have IMO no desirable valving

Monotube design

Bad customer service

Material they are made out of

1 year warrenty

I could keep going. Seriously, how many times do you see threads titled "help, Ksport blown"

 

after a few combos i'm happy with my current tein s-tech/illumina setup; 0 bounce. and it fits within your budget

 

I'll try to answer your question in depth. It's a long *** read...but I'm sure these topics will come up later.

If you buy coilovers, you will have to buy a lifetime alignment if you plan on Raising it up in the winter. The problem is that toe gets really wacked out when you lower or raise after an alignment.

Say you lower the car. The front will toe out and the rear will toe in. The typical understeer setup. Then you get an alignment...which is highly recommended. They fix the toe back to zero.

Then you raise the car and the OPPOSITE happens. The front toes in and the rear toes out. The typical OVERSTEER setup. If you ride around on ice and snow with rear toe out, you will end up in a ditch real fast. The car will want to do circles. If you put one tire on snow and one tire on asphalt, you're doing a 360. You get the point. There's a lot of situations where you dont want this rear toe out setup.

If your car is riding like **** and is pulling to one side, you probably need some suspension repair work. Figure out what needs to be fixed if anything. If something is bent or broken, obviously fix that first. If the car just needs an alignment, then align it after you lower it.

If you do get a camber kit (I never do...I have yet to ever see uneven wear), you dont nessacarily have to dial the camber down to 0. You can leave in about -1 to -2 degrees of camber and you will see BARELY, if any, irregular wear on your tires. Unless you're doing burn outs. In which case, dial it back down to 0.

If you choose to get the camber kit, your car will no longer have a standard alignment and it will cost you considerably more to get it aligned at most shops.

Springs usually provide a nicer ride depending on the drop and type of spring. You will have to get aftermarket dampers if you want to lower by 2.5''. Skunk2, Tein S. tech, Tanabe DF, etc. are examples of decent springs that lower by about 2-2.5''. Buy name brand springs. Learn to read spring rate information to guess how your car is going to ride. A high spring rate means a stiffer ride. A stiffer spring will also demand more from your dampers (shocks).

A lot of coilovers seem to be geared WAY too much towards race. I see tons of coilovers on the market with like 12k spring rates or something insane. I think that 350lb to 450lb rates (around 7-8k) are good rates on a street civic. I dont like overly stiff springs for a lot of reasons, and they done nessacarily make a car handle well.

It comes down to what your goals are for the car. If you are just F-ing around on the street or drag racing with it, buy something cheap that rides good. If you are actually going to track the car (road race), then you may want to figure out a nicer, more versatile setup.

The Koni yellow + Ground control coilover combination is one of the favorites around here. I have ridden in and driven a car with GCs and I really really liked it. It was very comfortable, but handled surprisingly well. You'd have to spend a **** LOAD of money on a premade coilover to have quality that was equal or higher.

I think the Koni/GC setup is like just under a grand ....like 8-900 bucks or something. You can pretty much do it all with that suspension. It's a great learning suspension as well. You can always change the spring rates, and the dampers are tuneable. Highly recommended.

 

i like my ground control, no shipping and for the price im entirely satisfied

 

I have a 00 Si with skunk2 adjustable coilovers with takico blues.... If this didnt come on my car I wouldnt have done them... I would have done a Full coilover setup.... Lowering springs let your car bounce to much.... Plus a lot of people do this thinking the new struts can handle a lowered car and most cant they are just oem replacements.... I would do a tien, skunk2, or a newer brand called pic for a full coilover.... Also look into a front and rear camber kit... If you have a lowered car this is a must.... Lowering your car and not doing a camber kit will wear out your stock ball joints quicker, and tear up your stock bushings....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wearyfurball &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 00 Si with skunk2 adjustable coilovers with takico blues.... If this didnt come on my car I wouldnt have done them... I would have done a Full coilover setup.... Lowering springs let your car bounce to much.... Plus a lot of people do this thinking the new struts can handle a lowered car and most cant they are just oem replacements.... I would do a tien, skunk2, or a newer brand called pic for a full coilover.... Also look into a front and rear camber kit... If you have a lowered car this is a must.... Lowering your car and not doing a camber kit will wear out your stock ball joints quicker, and tear up your stock bushings....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Simply put, you are an idiot.

Tokico Blues are not meant to handle the spring rates of Skunk2 springs. The blues are basically a OEM replacement. If you would have used a set of shocks like Illuminas, you wouldn't have the issues you do now. Although I'm not a fan of Skunk2 coilovers in the first place.

Your statement about camber kits is also wrong. IMO we don't need camber kits for our cars. They cause more harm than good. If you're anywhere near tucking, the camber kit will hit the shock tower, and I have never had a problem with my stock balljoits/bushings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wearyfurball &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 00 Si with skunk2 adjustable coilovers with takico blues.... If this didnt come on my car I wouldnt have done them... I would have done a Full coilover setup.... Lowering springs let your car bounce to much.... Plus a lot of people do this thinking the new struts can handle a lowered car and most cant they are just oem replacements.... I would do a tien, skunk2, or a newer brand called pic for a full coilover.... Also look into a front and rear camber kit... If you have a lowered car this is a must.... Lowering your car and not doing a camber kit will wear out your stock ball joints quicker, and tear up your stock bushings....</TD></TR></TABLE>

WOW....

 

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Simply put, you are an idiot.

Okay jackass like I said " if my car didn't come with it I would have used a full coilover" I dont like the blues they suck. They came with the car when I bought it.. And how do camber kits not help? If you have bad camber your just going to tear your tires up.. And you will wear out your bushings and ball joints due to added stress

 

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Simply put, you are an idiot.

Okay jackass like I said " if my car didn't come with it I would have used a full coilover" I dont like the blues they suck. They came with the car when I bought it.. And how do camber kits not help? If you have bad camber your just going to tear your tires up.. And you will wear out your bushings and ball joints due to added stress </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude, of course blues suck, all you had to do was get a better damper and it would have been a different outcome.

You don't need a camber kit either retard. God, what is it with some of the people on here an BADinfo!? I hate that.

If you get a proper alignment and they put your toe to spec, then youll have ZERO problems with tire wear. Learn something new everyday, dont you...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wearyfurball &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=93EGB18C1]

Simply put, you are an idiot.

Okay jackass like I said " if my car didn't come with it I would have used a full coilover" I dont like the blues they suck. They came with the car when I bought it.. And how do camber kits not help? If you have bad camber your just going to tear your tires up.. And you will wear out your bushings and ball joints due to added stress </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not saying you're an idiot, but you are slightly misinformed.

Excess negative or positive camber will wear out ball joints prematurely. However, at 2.5'' of lowering, the camber shouldn't be that bad. I predict around -2 to -2.5 degrees of camber.

Camber does not wear tires as much as you think. Toe does. Toe changes when you change any other angle or geometry. When this happens, your tires will get eaten up whether you have -5 degrees of camber or 0 degrees of camber. However, the more camber you have, the more exaggerated the wear will be on one edge. If you fix the toe and leave the camber, you shouldn't see much wear unless you're ONLY driving in a straight line or if you're doing burn outs or something.

A good lowering spring will not cause the car to bounce too much. However, using a spring with too high of a rate and shocks with too little damping will make a car bounce. Since lowering springs are usually on the soft side, most of the time, the ride is pretty nice.

I dont know why everyone thinks that tokico blues suck. I have had good luck with them in the past. Slammed or not slammed. I know people that have had their cars lowered by 3 inches or more with tokico blues...and they still have them like 5 years later...and the car still rides fine. They're good shocks.

 

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I dont know why everyone thinks that tokico blues suck. I have had good luck with them in the past. Slammed or not slammed. I know people that have had their cars lowered by 3 inches or more with tokico blues...and they still have them like 5 years later...and the car still rides fine. They're good shocks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Meh. I haven't had the best of luck with tokico blues. They lasted about 6 months before taking a dump on me. Sent them back, (thank god for the warranty) and the same thing happened!!! Man was that annoying. Granted, I was significantly lowered and the car was driven hard. And that's one of a hand-full of bad experiences with tokico blues.

They're okay for a stock replacement, but if you want something real, can't beat the Koni Yellow/Tokico Illuminas.

 

hi mate i was wondering if you were still looking for coilovers i have got a full brand new set of d2 coilovers fully adjustable with everything still in box my mob is 07980101863 if interested

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93EGB18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ksport/D2= CRAP plain and simple. For the money you could do much better.
I don't care if they've been redesigned.

And E-bay coilovers...

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sorry my friend, but im rocking the k sports right now. and my buddy has d2's. they ride n handle then a lot of different setups i've ridden in. the redesign did a great job. had them for a while with agressive driving n track time n still ride as good as the day i bought them. so please dont bash the new k sports. the old k sports did suck, but now they're better. i would say the only setup better would be a koni/gc but dayum u cant do much better than that.

 

I ran 450F/550R GC coilovers w/ koni yellows on my 00 Si and it was amazing. I never thought such a relatively cheap setup could handle so well yet not be harsh at ALL. A bunch of my friends are car people and they were astonished how well my civic handled, add a 22mm CTR/ASR combo down the road and it will handle like a go-kart.

Def make sure to get an alignment like already stated. For the rear all I did was add washers to the upper arm mounts and it put me within spec, my koni's actually came with extra washers that were the perfect size!

 

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i would say the only setup better would be a koni/gc but dayum u cant do much better than that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope you mean "for the price".