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i didn't feel like replacing random parts until i find someone else with similar problem and how to fix it.

i made a relay to avoid starting in gear while remote started.. there are couple ways of doing it, one is to tap into factory starter wiring, or directly to parking brake signal, i tapped into D4 signal from cruise control, i can't 100% remember but i think terminal 30 and 60 were constant 12v, 87 (or 87a) was connected to positive brake wire input on alarm, then 85 was D4 wire from cruise control. this also prevents from startup in reverse. if you choose parking signal, 87 would have to be switched to 87a or the other way around - you have to double check everything and polarity first if to do this yourself.

one cool feature that turned out from all this is i'm able to keep playing radio after removing keys as long as i hold down the brake pedal <---> (why? because constant 12v was optional connector linked to cig radio fuse)


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For some reason i'm able to take the key out while gearshift is in D4, although it won't start while ine D4 until i shift it back to neutral, its a problem if i forget to put ebrake up or for remote start

how can i troubleshoot this problem?

thanks


Modified by fastcrvi at 10:41 PM 2/14/2008

 

Uhhh

1) I dont know what year car
2) Yes you can do that (turn the key to off while car is in D4)
3) You cannot start the car while it's in D4
4) You can remote start a car in park

What's the problem?

 

It's called a Neutral Safety Switch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastcrvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how can i troubleshoot this problem?</TD></TR></TABLE>

&lt;Insert something derogatory here&gt;

 

There's some kind of a solenoid in the ignition that locks the key (prevents you from taking it out) while the shifter is out of park. I don't know any specifics, but that would clear up what your problem is (as the other posters are thinking of something else). Either that solenoid is bad, or the shifter position switch is not working correctly.

 

First thing is to open the hood or drivers door and find out WHAT YEAR your car is.
Then if you can figure that out..... you can maybe understand that some years of Accord had an ignition switch saftey recall for this exact problem.

 

I *think* what he's referring to.

Is if you leave the gearshift in D4, and turn off the car (remove the key) it will let you.

But obviously with a remote start it won't let you start the car while it's in D4, you have to move it to N or P.

 

What it sounds like he is trying to say is that he can take the key out of the ignition while the shifter is in the D4 position. If the vehicle in question is a 98-02 Accord this is a known problem that they have. There is a recall that Honda has and it is a free fix at the dealership. There is a problem with the shift interlock on the ignition switch that is fixed that will prevent the key from being removed from the ignition switch. Go see your local Honda dealer to see if the recall has been performed yet.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uhhh

1) I dont know what year car
2) Yes you can do that (turn the key to off while car is in D4)
3) You cannot start the car while it's in D4
4) You can remote start a car in park

What's the problem?</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. 95 accord
2. take the key out, not turn the car off
3. refer to #2
4. read #2, i can remote start while in D4..

 

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But obviously with a remote start it won't let you start the car while it's in D4, you have to move it to N or P.</TD></TR></TABLE>

remote start has nothing to do with it.. it simply trips the start wire.. no alarms read signal from gearbox to see if its P or N unless you add extra wiring/relays, it relys on car to function properly.. - what i'd like to do in my case.

i'll check with honda to see if there is a recall, otherwise, i need to know what to replace..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 02 accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's some kind of a solenoid in the ignition that locks the key (prevents you from taking it out) while the shifter is out of park. I don't know any specifics, but that would clear up what your problem is (as the other posters are thinking of something else). Either that solenoid is bad, or the shifter position switch is not working correctly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm looking through helms page 14-47, there are 2 valves, one is shift control solenoid valve and the other one is lock up control solenoid valve?
could any of this be related to ecu?

 

Well your clarifications help out quite a bit.

You shouldn't be able to start the car in D4, that's odd. (If you turn the key it won't start - I guess remote completely bypasses this?)

And obviously shouldn't be able to take the key out while in D at all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well your clarifications help out quite a bit.

You shouldn't be able to start the car in D4, that's odd. (If you turn the key it won't start - I guess remote completely bypasses this?)

And obviously shouldn't be able to take the key out while in D at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, you are correct, ignore remote start.. i had this issue prior to installing remote start, it has nothing to do with remote start.. but after installing, i thought it was very unsafe if i forget to put it in park.. so i'd like to fix the root of the problem.

and yes, when you hook up remote start, you simply tap into start wire.. all that is needed for usual install

 

Gotca, I'd follow up with the recall that hondadude was referring to, he might be able to get you the # of it too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 213374U &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's called a Neutral Safety Switch

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neutral safety switch functions to prevent from starting in anything other than park, i don't have that problem. i can not start the car unless its in park using keys.. however, i can remove the key while its its in gear or revers etc..

 

you should not be able to take the key out of the igniton at all while its in d4. it should stop at the accessory position and be really hard to turn until the car is in PARK only, not even neutral.

 

ok.. i've checked. there is no recall.. any more advice?

 

Okay, this is a little off topic (as far as help goes), but could you do something for our amusement

Put your car in the middle of an empty street, leave it in D4, and turn it off. Now grab your video camera and hit that remote start button.... then post the link to the vid

 

23-146 has description on key lock solenoid.. so it has to be one or the other.. the other one would be shift lock solenoid on top of transmission..

any advice??

 

check again im 100% sure theres a recall because i took my 99 accord to the dealership a few months ago because i had problems with the ignition switch just like you. i just went on the honda website put in my vin and it told me all the recalls for my car, as well as if i already brought the car in. in my case i already had it fixed in the past, but it broke again so yeah just take it back and they'll do it again. free maintenace ftw

 

he clearly said his is 95

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d0nald_ducki3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check again im 100% sure theres a recall because i took my 99 accord to the dealership a few months ago because i had problems with the ignition switch just like you. i just went on the honda website put in my vin and it told me all the recalls for my car, as well as if i already brought the car in. in my case i already had it fixed in the past, but it broke again so yeah just take it back and they'll do it again. free maintenace ftw </TD></TR></TABLE>

they never had a recall on my particular year/model. so for now i'll just do a relay so it only starts when in park until i get more information on what to do..

 

Are you sure this isn't normal? WE have had the 96 since new and it does this. I don't ever remembering it not being able to do it but maybe it is something bad.

 

normal? i don't know.. safe if you forget to place the brake up while on the hill? safe with remote start? definately not..

for time being i got a relay that reads signal from D4 D3 D2, and cuts the car off if left in any of these.. i'm going to reverse to read parking/neutral signal, this way it only starts while in park/neutral.. just have to rewire some stuff

 

I agree I don't know about safe but I wonder if it's normal. I don't have a remote start just a security system but it wont start with the key when its in D or any gear other than P or N.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hometheaterman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree I don't know about safe but I wonder if it's normal. I don't have a remote start just a security system but it wont start with the key when its in D or any gear other than P or N.</TD></TR></TABLE>

mine works like that too, it will not start in anything other that p or n because starter wire will only work when P or N sends signal.. if its the same thing on all accords of at least 95-96.. they should have recalled it