i would just like to clarify something, what do u say puts down more power. b18c1 or b18 ls block with gsr head and trans, basically both oem parts just one using ls block conversion. if both were running 100% strong

 

if both were in tip top shape, the lsvtec puts down more power due to the flat top pistons ( raises compression). the b18c1, I believe, uses dished pistons. if someone could clarify that for me

 

i believe and actually know u are correct, i was just posting this because someone in another post actually treid to say that the gsr would put down more than the ls/vtec. ls/vtec and the mini me created the hybrid engines. ls/vtecs have put down 200+ were a gsr is lucky to put down 160 unless of course its a jdm version. but thanx for clarifying a bit

 

blaaaaah ls vtec is unreliable and so impracticle.... my buddy is always having problems with his. Idk man my JDM b16 will outrun a lsvtec in my buddies integra just about 100% of the time.

 

dude your not reading, that b16 isnt running all oem parts. i ran my ls/vtec for a whole year in nopi before i got stupid and turboed it and never had any problems. someone probably didnt build it correctly. and a stock b18c1 will out run a stock b16

 

a strong b16 may make 145-150 hp to the wheels stock,h and ls/vtec with all oem honda parts accept the conversion kit can put down over 200. so if your buddeis car is built right than its the driver, maybe u can drive and he cant

 

it is a 100% stock JDM B16 bro... all it has bone is its bored .20 over, P30 pistons, and a 4 angle valve job... pretty much stock specs. Im not trying to "bench race" im just going from TRACK experience. Raced a legit GSR... he had a .225 RT mine was .310. he ran a 15.3 i ran a 15.01

 

am just going to let yall keep going on entertaing me lol!!!

 

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lol im not trying to entertain... i just dont see what hes saying. what is the point in this thread? lol

 

I wouldnt trust an all OEM ls/vtec setup as it calls for AT LEAST some new rod bolts. An OEM ls/vtec build I doubt would hit the 200whp+ mark unless its using Type R parts (CTR cams, valvetrain, etc) with some quality bolt-ons. Otherwise just the usual ls/vtec with a b16 head and the typical i/h/e they can range anywhere from 150-180whp tuned. It all depends on the build some ls/vtec setups are slooooow while others are pretty damn strong. Without touching the bottom end of the LS it wont be safe to rev higher which is a huge setback.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by posHonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldnt trust an all OEM ls/vtec setup as it calls for AT LEAST some new rod bolts. An OEM ls/vtec build I doubt would hit the 200whp+ mark unless its using Type R parts (CTR cams, valvetrain, etc) with some quality bolt-ons. Otherwise just the usual ls/vtec with a b16 head and the typical i/h/e they can range anywhere from 150-180whp tuned. It all depends on the build some ls/vtec setups are slooooow while others are pretty damn strong. Without touching the bottom end of the LS it wont be safe to rev higher which is a huge setback.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my thoughts exactly. good ****

 

ok well i have a ls/vtec that i will personally rip apart to prove that its all stock internals other than arp studs and i can gaurentee it runs better than a 14.5 in the quarter, besides dude in the last thread about the b18 or b16a2 you said your boys z6 runs 10's and your b16 runs 11's so wich is it, i will rip the engine down and put back together if u have the cash for the headgasket and oil and antifreeze

 

i have two cars buddy..... think of that? i have a 93 coupe w/ B16 boosted and it runs 11's. I have a 94 coupe with a JDM B16... it runs 14.9 to 15.1. My boosted car has completely stock bottom end and internals. The D16Z6 i spoke of is in a 92 hatch... completely built. im not lying about anything. im not saying you are either. Im just saying from everything i have seen in LS VTECS ive never seen one run a 14.5, nor been outran by one.

 

I've seen a stock ls/vtec, hit 14.2... Also it burning oil like a motherfuker

 

My friends dynoed at 168 bone stock. B18a and gsr head.

 

if both engines had the exact same internals the power output would be pretty close. the lsvtec would make a little more torque sooner but that would be it.

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what are you talking about? you can get either to 200hp with the right combo of parts.

 

This is a stupid comparison without stricter criteria.

<u> LS/VTEC</u>

Pros
-cheap
-relatively easy to build
-LS bottom ends are plentiful
-LS crank provides a little more torque than a GSR crank

Cons
- only as reliable as the person who built it
- without ARP studs, the LS doesn't want to go over 7400rpm...with ARPs, i still wouldnt rev past 8
- Lower compression than a GSR


<u>GSR</u>

Pros
-strong stock
-built by Honda...its reliable
-good redline and overall powerband
-great tranny and engine combo for street/strip applications
-high enough compression for NA while still being able to boost on pump gas

Cons
-shorter stroke = less torque

 

quote: I've seen a stock ls/vtec, hit 14.2... Also it burning oil like a motherfuker

exactly what i was saying and i guess if u are running 14.9 best then my ls/vtec would crush your b16

 

The 14.2 Ls/vtec had a vtec controller, headers, gsr tranny, thats about it.

 

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idk my friend ran his stock b16 with type R trans against a ls/vtec and wiped the floor...unless the guy didnt know how to drive at all.... b16's arent too weak

 

I think you guys are losing sight of the point to this post. As I recall the two motors originally mentioned were an ls-v and a gs-r. And for some reason this turned into a b16 bashing. Not sure why Im pretty much in agreement with what that schicter66 guy had to say , pros and cons to both motors. But back to the main question. The Ls-v will typically put down more power as said earlier in the post when compared to a stock GS-R. So in reality, I think the real question here is your budget. You can spend money, buy a reliable GS-R, do a few mods to make the power equivalent to an ls-v and climb in your car without wondering how much oil your gonna burn. Or also spend money, assmeble an LS-V very thoroughly and get the power you want for maybe a little less money while still undergoing the risk of unreliability. I'm not saying a good ls-v can't be built, its just more times than not, the stories you hear about ls-v's are not good ones. Honda designed the GS-R the way they did for a reason, reliability. So if you want a fun, risky project with good power go ls-v. If you want power and quality, GS-R.

 

Im in for reliability, thats why no more ls/vtec. Right now I cant aford to die out in a highway with my girlfriend alone we travel alot. So stock gsr for daily!!!

 

Dam man my ls eg with aem intake a/c b16 tranny factory cx exhaust piping with greddy muffler on the back lol ran a 15.1 @91 My ? is i have a 2000 ls motor in the hatch i also have a 2000 b16 head sitting in the garage if i was to make it ls vtec with stock ls botom end i could run a p28 and only take it to 7000-7200 rpm all day right with no promblem? And of course i wouldnt half *** it. Also i wouldnt want to keep the factory fuel setting that p28 puts out afc maybe?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egcx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dam man my ls eg with aem intake a/c b16 tranny factory cx exhaust piping with greddy muffler on the back lol ran a 15.1 @91 My ? is i have a 2000 ls motor in the hatch i also have a 2000 b16 head sitting in the garage if i was to make it ls vtec with stock ls botom end i could run a p28 and only take it to 7000-7200 rpm all day right with no promblem? And of course i wouldnt half *** it. Also i wouldnt want to keep the factory fuel setting that p28 puts out afc maybe? </TD></TR></TABLE>

go for it.

 

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L/S VTEC, when done properly with the right parts, can be a formidable motor. If you do it wrong, yes, it will have problems. Plus the LS tran's isnt exactly geared towards VTEC and high rev's.