boosted92hatch

i would just like to clarify something, what do u say puts down more power. b18c1 or b18 ls block with gsr head and trans, basically both oem parts just one using ls block conversion. if both were running 100% strong

jdmracer12

if both were in tip top shape, the lsvtec puts down more power due to the flat top pistons ( raises compression). the b18c1, I believe, uses dished pistons. if someone could clarify that for me

boosted92hatch

i believe and actually know u are correct, i was just posting this because someone in another post actually treid to say that the gsr would put down more than the ls/vtec. ls/vtec and the mini me created the hybrid engines. ls/vtecs have put down 200+ were a gsr is lucky to put down 160 unless of course its a jdm version. but thanx for clarifying a bit

93egSLEEPER

blaaaaah ls vtec is unreliable and so impracticle.... my buddy is always having problems with his. Idk man my JDM b16 will outrun a lsvtec in my buddies integra just about 100% of the time.

boosted92hatch

dude your not reading, that b16 isnt running all oem parts. i ran my ls/vtec for a whole year in nopi before i got stupid and turboed it and never had any problems. someone probably didnt build it correctly. and a stock b18c1 will out run a stock b16

boosted92hatch

a strong b16 may make 145-150 hp to the wheels stock,h and ls/vtec with all oem honda parts accept the conversion kit can put down over 200. so if your buddeis car is built right than its the driver, maybe u can drive and he cant

93egSLEEPER

it is a 100% stock JDM B16 bro... all it has bone is its bored .20 over, P30 pistons, and a 4 angle valve job... pretty much stock specs. Im not trying to "bench race" im just going from TRACK experience. Raced a legit GSR... he had a .225 RT mine was .310. he ran a 15.3 i ran a 15.01

turbo-2nr

am just going to let yall keep going on entertaing me lol!!!

93egSLEEPER

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lol im not trying to entertain... i just dont see what hes saying. what is the point in this thread? lol

posHonda

I wouldnt trust an all OEM ls/vtec setup as it calls for AT LEAST some new rod bolts. An OEM ls/vtec build I doubt would hit the 200whp+ mark unless its using Type R parts (CTR cams, valvetrain, etc) with some quality bolt-ons. Otherwise just the usual ls/vtec with a b16 head and the typical i/h/e they can range anywhere from 150-180whp tuned. It all depends on the build some ls/vtec setups are slooooow while others are pretty damn strong. Without touching the bottom end of the LS it wont be safe to rev higher which is a huge setback.

93egSLEEPER

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by posHonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldnt trust an all OEM ls/vtec setup as it calls for AT LEAST some new rod bolts. An OEM ls/vtec build I doubt would hit the 200whp+ mark unless its using Type R parts (CTR cams, valvetrain, etc) with some quality bolt-ons. Otherwise just the usual ls/vtec with a b16 head and the typical i/h/e they can range anywhere from 150-180whp tuned. It all depends on the build some ls/vtec setups are slooooow while others are pretty damn strong. Without touching the bottom end of the LS it wont be safe to rev higher which is a huge setback.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my thoughts exactly. good ****

boosted92hatch

ok well i have a ls/vtec that i will personally rip apart to prove that its all stock internals other than arp studs and i can gaurentee it runs better than a 14.5 in the quarter, besides dude in the last thread about the b18 or b16a2 you said your boys z6 runs 10's and your b16 runs 11's so wich is it, i will rip the engine down and put back together if u have the cash for the headgasket and oil and antifreeze

93egSLEEPER

i have two cars buddy..... think of that? i have a 93 coupe w/ B16 boosted and it runs 11's. I have a 94 coupe with a JDM B16... it runs 14.9 to 15.1. My boosted car has completely stock bottom end and internals. The D16Z6 i spoke of is in a 92 hatch... completely built. im not lying about anything. im not saying you are either. Im just saying from everything i have seen in LS VTECS ive never seen one run a 14.5, nor been outran by one.

phyzJunkieCivic

I've seen a stock ls/vtec, hit 14.2... Also it burning oil like a motherfuker

Cza_EM1

My friends dynoed at 168 bone stock. B18a and gsr head.

doood

iTrader: (1)

if both engines had the exact same internals the power output would be pretty close. the lsvtec would make a little more torque sooner but that would be it.

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what are you talking about? you can get either to 200hp with the right combo of parts.

Schister66

This is a stupid comparison without stricter criteria.

<u> LS/VTEC</u>

Pros
-cheap
-relatively easy to build
-LS bottom ends are plentiful
-LS crank provides a little more torque than a GSR crank

Cons
- only as reliable as the person who built it
- without ARP studs, the LS doesn't want to go over 7400rpm...with ARPs, i still wouldnt rev past 8
- Lower compression than a GSR


<u>GSR</u>

Pros
-strong stock
-built by Honda...its reliable
-good redline and overall powerband
-great tranny and engine combo for street/strip applications
-high enough compression for NA while still being able to boost on pump gas

Cons
-shorter stroke = less torque

boosted92hatch

quote: I've seen a stock ls/vtec, hit 14.2... Also it burning oil like a motherfuker

exactly what i was saying and i guess if u are running 14.9 best then my ls/vtec would crush your b16

phyzJunkieCivic

The 14.2 Ls/vtec had a vtec controller, headers, gsr tranny, thats about it.

jeremyowns18

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude your not reading, that b16 isnt running all oem parts. i ran my ls/vtec for a whole year in nopi before i got stupid and turboed it and never had any problems. someone probably didnt build it correctly. and a stock b18c1 will out run a stock b16 </TD></TR></TABLE>

idk my friend ran his stock b16 with type R trans against a ls/vtec and wiped the floor...unless the guy didnt know how to drive at all.... b16's arent too weak

dc2_4life

I think you guys are losing sight of the point to this post. As I recall the two motors originally mentioned were an ls-v and a gs-r. And for some reason this turned into a b16 bashing. Not sure why Im pretty much in agreement with what that schicter66 guy had to say , pros and cons to both motors. But back to the main question. The Ls-v will typically put down more power as said earlier in the post when compared to a stock GS-R. So in reality, I think the real question here is your budget. You can spend money, buy a reliable GS-R, do a few mods to make the power equivalent to an ls-v and climb in your car without wondering how much oil your gonna burn. Or also spend money, assmeble an LS-V very thoroughly and get the power you want for maybe a little less money while still undergoing the risk of unreliability. I'm not saying a good ls-v can't be built, its just more times than not, the stories you hear about ls-v's are not good ones. Honda designed the GS-R the way they did for a reason, reliability. So if you want a fun, risky project with good power go ls-v. If you want power and quality, GS-R.

phyzJunkieCivic

Im in for reliability, thats why no more ls/vtec. Right now I cant aford to die out in a highway with my girlfriend alone we travel alot. So stock gsr for daily!!!

93egcx

Dam man my ls eg with aem intake a/c b16 tranny factory cx exhaust piping with greddy muffler on the back lol ran a 15.1 @91 My ? is i have a 2000 ls motor in the hatch i also have a 2000 b16 head sitting in the garage if i was to make it ls vtec with stock ls botom end i could run a p28 and only take it to 7000-7200 rpm all day right with no promblem? And of course i wouldnt half *** it. Also i wouldnt want to keep the factory fuel setting that p28 puts out afc maybe?

boosted92hatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egcx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dam man my ls eg with aem intake a/c b16 tranny factory cx exhaust piping with greddy muffler on the back lol ran a 15.1 @91 My ? is i have a 2000 ls motor in the hatch i also have a 2000 b16 head sitting in the garage if i was to make it ls vtec with stock ls botom end i could run a p28 and only take it to 7000-7200 rpm all day right with no promblem? And of course i wouldnt half *** it. Also i wouldnt want to keep the factory fuel setting that p28 puts out afc maybe? </TD></TR></TABLE>

go for it.

97Ej6mike

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L/S VTEC, when done properly with the right parts, can be a formidable motor. If you do it wrong, yes, it will have problems. Plus the LS tran's isnt exactly geared towards VTEC and high rev's.