first off i got a 95' honda civic ex coupe with the stock d16. and im gonna swap it out for an b18c1 or b18c5 that doesnt really matter which one. what i want to know is should i ethier buy b18c1 motor for $2600 and then work from there or build a b18c1 from the flour up. the block being $2500 and the head $3900. and thats not including pretty much everything else i have to buy. and the same goes for the b18c5. money wont really be an issue but this car is really gonna be mainly for the street. a daily driver. i plan for a turbo and nos. i just want to know what will be better in the long run. thanks i apperciate it.

 

if money isn't an issue, sell it. buy an s2000. you'll end up spending about the same money when it's all said-in-done and the s2000 will have 4 or more times the resale value as a built/turbo/'nos'd 95 civic. plus, the s2000 will be more fun to drive, and if you get it at the right price you can still squeeze in a turbo if you must.

 

the difference between the two is about 2500 bucks. where the hell are you buying just a block for 2500? you can get complete swaps for 3000. shop around http://www.tigerjapanese.com

 

man where are you getting those prices from, you can get a b18c1 for cheaper than that.

but if money isn't an issue, then go get a s2k.

 

well i actually planned on buyin and s2k but right now im wantin to build up my civic. and as for the prices where at the maximum amount. i know of complete swaps (motor, ecu, and tranny) for as $2500. all i really need to know is for my civic is what would be more reasuring in the long run and more fun. and yes ill buy an s2k too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jesstopher2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i actually planned on buyin and s2k but right now im wantin to build up my civic. and as for the prices where at the maximum amount. i know of complete swaps (motor, ecu, and tranny) for as $2500. all i really need to know is for my civic is what would be more reasuring in the long run and more fun. and yes ill buy an s2k too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whats the point in having 2 fast hondas for daily driving? I mean. . . you said you wish to keep the civic capable of daily driving. . . <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jesstopher2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but this car is really gonna bemainly for the street. a daily driver . i plan for a turbo and nos. i just want to know what will be better in the long run. thanks i apperciate it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe it would be wasted money unless you keep the S2K slightly stock or something and the Civic for racing. But other than that. . it would be a big waste, specially since you would have two different engine types, no interchangeability in parts. Turbo S2K sounds to me like a car capable of being very fast, very fun, and very confortable daily driver. Other than the RWD factor, weight distribution, K series engine, etc. Anywas, my 2 cents here. . . good luck choosing!

 

This is what I would do if "money wasn't an issue". I would try to keep the civic fairly stock but quick and decent looking. I would make the car aesthetically pleasing, throw on a good suspension setup, and swap in a low mileage b18c5 (hell since money isnt an issue and for reliability purpose, I would go to acura and buy a brand new swap). I would use the civic as a pimp lil dd and buy the s2k and slap on a vortech supercharger. I would get the s2k and focus on that but since money isnt an issue, why not have a reliable, fast daily?

Sit down and make a list for each of the cars, i.e. what mods you will realistically do to each of them. Dont forget to add in the price for a hardtop to keep people out of your s2k seats!

 

yeah i get what you guys are sayin and all i got to say is that you didnt answer my question but its alright. and as for havin 2 hondas. well 2 better than 1 and besides im a honda person.

 

I answered your question.

If you read my last post, you will see that I told you to sit down and make a list of your plans for the car. You are the only person who picks parts/coins out the project so research the items you are interested in and build your knowledge on those items. When I was in high school and had no idea about money management and how fast it goes when you dont have parents supporting you, I would sit there in class and write in a notebook planning out the cars I would like to build and also the one I had. The notebook had every part I would want or any changes I wanted to make. I knew exactly what I had planned for the car and what my goals for it were. This is something you may want to try. It is very helpful. Reseach the engines you mentioned in this thread tho.

If you want a very fast car or plan on turbo, etc.(I know you mentioned this earlier), then by all means build a gsr. Although, I would personally do a b20 block with a stroker kit with a B16 head (both built) or even a built B20 set up for turbo would be pleasing to me. I would rather do the B20 turbo honestly. On the other hand, If I didnt want to build an engine or even do mild tuning/head work, I would go with the b18c5. But WE dont know what you are ultimately planning for the project so it is your answer that matters the most.

I am curious tho.....what kind of job do you have at 18 years old that you can do a build of this extent, buy an s2000, and still make a living (buy a house, medical insurance, etc.). I am a huge automotive enthusiast but a house is much more important than multiple cars! Besides, you gotta have somewhere to put that dream garage of yours!

 

Hittnthebz, thanks for answering my question. well first of i joined the marines and technically could live off them for the amount of years i joined for. by living on base, eating at the barkacks, etc. its all free even insurance. all practically for free, with the exception of going out or some then else. and another thing, they have a place to were i could store my car. and i wont be having to waste money on gas cause i could always get a ride for someone else. so that would let me virtually build up my dream car(s). now im not sayin that the military is right for everyone, cause everyone is different, but everyone should look into it and consider it an option. its a good life. even if i got married my wife could live with me and the marines would move us into a house like apartment( basically a house but connect to a series of other houses) but dont get me wrong not all my money will just go into my car(s). i plan on investing half of it( in like stocks, buying a house, ect.)


but as for the b20 idea, ill look into it. thanks. but my idea before your was to just just keep it simple. a daily driver. dont get it twisted, im a HUGE tuner fan, ever since like 1998. but i just want to keep it maintain, put the normal in it. im lookin for 250-300 hp on block alone then adding boost and maybe nos, hopefully turn it into a show car. most importantly on a cover of a magazine. i apperciate your response. and i was leaning toward the gsr motor to. but what kindf set up should i get for it?

im asking for peolpes opinions on companys that you would my from cause in all reality i dont live everywhere so im just shopping around&gt; once again thanks

 

Not bad, sounds like you have things planned out a little better than it seemed. Be careful though because I haver a few friends that blew most/all of their money on their cars. One of them decided to go BACK to Iraq because he spent all of it so quickly (most of it before he even got back). A friend of his was recieving the parts he ordered and installing them on his car while he was still in Iraq.

I dont see any way of squeezing out 250-300 hp from the b20 idea without boost, unless you slap on a vtec head. The all b20 idea would really turn on when boost comes into play. Boost is not the most reliable idea for daily driving unless the car is set up to handle it. Even then, you should keep the boost at a low psi (i think 7 lbs is all you would need) for daily driving and IF you need more power just crank the boost up. When you are done, you can just turn it back down.

For internals, I personally am a fan of JE pistons, Eagle (rods, crank), and Crower for the head. If you want a premade turbo kit, Drag and Rev-Hard both make nice kits. You can even go another route and build your own kit (every part is gonna be exactly what you want). If you build your own kit, I would check into eithr a Turbonetics or Precision turbo. In Northern VA there is a company call Inline-Pro and they have been in mags and I have seen a few of their cars at the track. They know their ****! Check into them for manifolds and such. If you need any more help, dont hesitate to ask!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jesstopher2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first off i got a 95' honda civic ex coupe with the stock d16. and im gonna swap it out for an b18c1 or b18c5 that doesnt really matter which one. what i want to know is should i ethier buy b18c1 motor for $2600 and then work from there or build a b18c1 from the flour up. the block being $2500 and the head $3900. and thats not including pretty much everything else i have to buy. and the same goes for the b18c5. money wont really be an issue but this car is really gonna be mainly for the street. a daily driver. i plan for a turbo and nos. i just want to know what will be better in the long run. thanks i apperciate it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're going to build and boost it in the future anyway...whats the point of spending more money on the nicer factory setup? Just buy the GSR swap. Hell...buy an LS swap. If you're building it, it doesn't really matter which one you start with. I know you said "money is no object".....but there's no point in wasting it either.

You said you wanted a daily driver. However, you want to turbo and spray it? You're going to have to build it for it to even be close to reliable. It still wont be anywhere near factory reliabilty...but....whatever.

I wouldn't turbo it unless I was building a drag race only car.

S2000s are fun. But they're expensive. I plan on leaving mine NA since I road race it a lot a lot a lot. When you blow up your turbo civic, it's no big deal. You buy another B series long block. Blow up, rinse, repeat. S2000s are more expensive....and again, once you do forced induction, you're really building a drag race car. If you want to drag race, put the S2000 out of your mind for good.

I guess you could road race a mildy done forced induction S2000, but you're pushing your reliabiltiy envelope even if you supercharge.

If you want a turbo car, why dont you buy an EVO or STi? You're going to end up blowing up your civic so many times that you'll buy one of those in the end anyway. It seems like 9/10 civic guys turbo their ****....then blow it up so many times that they claim "IM DONE WITH HONDA", and buy STis, MR2 turbos, 240s with SR swaps, whatever.

If you HAVE TO HAVE a turbo, just buy a factory turbo car. Dont waste your time on hondas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you want a turbo car, why dont you buy an EVO or STi? You're going to end up blowing up your civic so many times that you'll buy one of those in the end anyway. It seems like 9/10 civic guys turbo their ****....then blow it up so many times that they claim "IM DONE WITH HONDA", and buy STis, MR2 turbos, 240s with SR swaps, whatever.

If you HAVE TO HAVE a turbo, just buy a factory turbo car. Dont waste your time on hondas. </TD></TR></TABLE>
B serious is correct.

 

thanks i apperciate your guys input ill most diffently look into your guys ideas. thanks once again.