I am looking into getting into road racing and have brought my motor choice to either h22 or b16. my question is, would the h22 be fine in an EJ2 for a road race car? i know there is the weight arguement and that people say understeer is your big enemy, but cant you control those issues through proper suspension and springrates? also wouldnt the added torque of an h22 help in corner exit? i can get either motor for about the same price and i am just trying to get some professional opinions before i spend the money on the motor. thanks for the help

-Scott

 

We ran a H22 powered del sol last year (won the nor cal championship). I cannot say for sure that it was at any major disadvantage(other than the trans suck IMO), but all that Tq was nice!

 

With the luxury of torque from H22, you can get away with running much wider and larger tires. It's a huge benefit.

 

Well i've been running a b16 for the past 6 years or so... and the lack of torque is problematic. But recently I added a 4.9 final drive, and that wakes the b16 up!

H22 is definitely heavier. And it's got rebuild issues if you grenade it. And you better run 225s or 245 tires up front if you want to pull that 1.0g of grrrrrrrrrrip.

What's wrong with a sleeved d16? I've been toying with this idea. You use the lightest drivetrain and you still get more torque. Seems like win-win. Of course yo have to buy / build such a beast.

Of course there's always boost too. hah hah, but people in RR are boost haters.

 

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For NASA's Honda Challenge, sleeving the block is NOT legal

 

If you do want to go the H22 route, I'd suggest using a B-H adapter kit so you can use a H22 motor with a B series transmission!

Also, in race prep, an H-series motor is not much heavier than a b-series. Once the balance shafts, heavy cast iron power steering mouts, etc. are removed, you lighten the engine considerably.

 

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I thought this was a RR project civic? Not a HC car. Or are all HC cars automatically RR projects?

 

The only thing I dislike about the H22 is the axle angles. Seems like im always repairing axles. But its worth it.

 

In my experience with the H22, I haven't noticed increased understeer at all. The H22 with Yonoaka or HCP mounts sits 2 inches further back than the Bseries engine. My boss has an EG with an ITR swap drove my car on the track with the H22 in it and felt like my car felt better all around with the added torque and handling.

Both cars had very similar suspension set ups (I set up both cars).

Overall, we liked the H22 better.

 

thanks for the good feedback. i just want a fun auto-x/hpde event car, this isnt gunna be an all out race car. i though about h2b, but the hood fitment really urks me. i also thought about an NA d series, but i doubt it would be very competative. it made 120 in stock form, but i dont know that i could pull that much more out of it without forging bottom end and building the **** out of the head. also. why do you need to run that wide of a tire? I plan on getting J's racing fender flares as part of the exterior setup, if i cut the under the flare, would that help with the tire fitting under the fender?

 

Kseries

 

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For the cost of a k-series, he could buy 2 h- or b-series engines

 

sleeved d-series. just coz i wanna see a RR'er do it. muhahahah.

 

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K Series!!!

 

the question was h22 or b16, if you have comments other than that dont post em in here. i dont want to hear about k series bullshit. the only other thing i thought about was building my d. andy added info on building a d vs h or b is welcome, but all i have to say is i dont have the pockets nor the care for a k series.

 

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I hate when people do that on here...anyways heres my input regaurding the H22 vs B16 vs Built D16...

H22 - read my last post
B16 - Very common and is known to work...maybe not as well as other set ups but a stock Bseries engine can go a long way...as someone stated, a 4.9 final drive will make it pretty quick and reliable.
D16 - This is a pretty common engine also, after looking over dynographs of the D and B engines and how they make similar torque on the bottom end with the B series making more power on the top, I dont see an issue with just running a stock/mildly built Dseries with a final drive. I've talked to a few people at the track that run D series and the majority of complaints are on the long gears.

I am a big fan of each of these engine series, but for what you're going to do I still have to vote for the H. Only downfall there is that it's harder to find parts for the H...but I leave my engines stock so factory parts can be cound at the dealership.

Good luck...

 

i think im gunna go h, i found a local that has an already started h22 swap with crower stage2 cams and crower valvetrain, he said for 2500 i get the car and everything. the car has a 6 point weld in cage and is completely gutted, so i wouldnt have to do much other than wire the bitch up and get it tuned. i already have an ej2, so i could just finish that one or swap the h22 into the one i already have and sell the rolling chassis of the other car.

 

I always said the only engine that can keep up with the K motor is the H22. Go for it and build one. When I switch to Honda's I will also run H22.

 

Any of you guys have axle issues? And if running aftermarket, whats have you chosen and how have they faired?

 

he have Rxales on the del sol.. have held up so far

 

No axle issues here. I run 89 Integra shafts and outer joints with Prelude inner joints. My cars ride height is set so the axles are almost exactly horizontal (Not slammed)

I beleive this is the same setup that the HCP acles are made up of.

 

about 5 years ago i built a h22a powered eg6si and absolutely loved it. hasport mounts DSS level 3 axles and hubs, stainless brake lines, spax rsx 26 way adjustable coilovers, all strut bars with factory swaybars, brembo rotors and ebc greenstuff pads, 15" slips and falken azenis. the car handled incredibly well and was very quick 13.86 1/4 mile. you definately can not go wrong with an h motor if you ask me. you will have problems if you run stock axles....3rd gear vtec would completely shear off the inside of the cv-joint housing and happened 3 or four times before switching to the DSS axles. i also had a problem with the passenger side axle pulling out of the tranny when i was running the hybrid/factory axles.