besides ES, what is another good company that makes bushings? i heard a good amount of pro and cons about ES. is there any company out there that use a different material besides polyurethane? also i heard about Delrin bushings, anyone have feed back about that?

 

Hardrace uses hard rubber bushings.
They claim these bushings are slightly stiffer than OEM bushings but, I can't tell a difference when I'm riding.

IMO they're far better choice for DD than poly bushings.

What are you trying to use them for?
Road racing(track), drag raing(strip), or daily driving?

 

you talkin about the delrin bushings right? where can i get some at?

 

Prothane motion control makes bushings, from everything ive read the hardness of bushings go ES, prothane, mugen

 

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Depends on what you're looking to do and which car you have.

Frankly, I don't recommend any material other than rubber or a spherical bearing for most applications in Civic/Integra suspensions, with a few exceptions. Delrin works well for machining offset bushings, but you won't want to use it everywhere.

 

ic. well i need to replace the bushings on my ride, so i plan to go wit ES, but for the RLCA's i would like to go Delrin.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Red Balut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ic. well i need to replace the bushings on my ride, so i plan to go wit ES, but for the RLCA's i would like to go Delrin.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is this car driven on the street? I personally would not want bushing made out of Delrin (also known as Acetal). Personally a new honda/acura bushing will be superior to any aftermarket bushing. (in terms of longevity, comfort and performance)

But if you want them you may have to get them machined. Just go and buy some round stock from mcmaster and take it to your local machine shop. The stuff cuts like butter so they probably won't charge much.

 

so stock/OEM bushings are made of rubber?

 

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Yes.

 

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Pretty much.

And steel sleeves.

Some of the bushings are elastomeric. Where there will be a number of metal sleeves sandwiched in the rubber.
Like this.

 

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Is this car driven on the street? I personally would not want bushing made out of Delrin (also known as Acetal). Personally a new honda/acura bushing will be superior to any aftermarket bushing. (in terms of longevity, comfort and performance)

But if you want them you may have to get them machined. Just go and buy some round stock from mcmaster and take it to your local machine shop. The stuff cuts like butter so they probably won't charge much. </TD></TR></TABLE>

im pretty sure OEM bushings aren't going to perform better than polyurethane bushings. ive also heard (not from experience) that poly. bushings last longer than oem ones. oem bushings will definitely offer better comfort.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MrDomino &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im pretty sure OEM bushings aren't going to perform better than polyurethane bushings.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't be so sure. It depends on the application.

Some bushings are okay to replace with polyurethane, but many are not - including several bushings found in Honda suspensions that are required to move on multiple axes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive also heard (not from experience) that poly. bushings last longer than oem ones.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, it depends on the application. Also depends on the type of polyurethane. I've seen cases where the polyurethane will wear out much faster than rubber, especially if it is not greased frequently with the correct grease. They have also been known to deform permanently under certain loads and allow play in the joint.

 

the car is DD/auto-x. and it also has 300,XXX miles on the body so the bushings def need to be replaced asap. but i am still in debate on ES or OEM bushings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Red Balut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you talkin about the delrin bushings right? where can i get some at?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope, they had vendors on HT a while back.

I would highly recommend OEM bushings for any car that hits the streets on a regular basis.

 

Heim joints

For a street car I'd go with Polyurethane Bushings. I do have a complaint with Energy Suspension. I ordered the master set for my 87 Mazda RX-7, some bushings I had to sand down to get them to fit because the Outside Diameter was .25 inches bigger. They sent me 8 lower front control arm bushings????

 

whats the average life time for OEM bushings?
what about the ES?

 

Different bushing get more abuse than others, just like different cars get different abuse with different drivers. Its hard to put a time frame on the life of bushings at all.

Just think Honda has some brilliant engineers and they design these vehicles to last for many years, so they design all parts like bushings for example to last for a long time.

When you lower a vehicle or change the way a suspension system is designed you will most likely decrease the life of your bushings. Also when people dont preload bushings properly or have have improper suspension alignment premature wear will occur.

Basically what im saying is unless its a full track car, just use OEM bushings.