2005 Civic Hybrid - Who has a manual transmission on this forum?
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2005 Civic Hybrid - Who has a manual transmission on this forum?
Hey guys,
I did a quick search and found no one on this forum has a hybrid (gas/electric not B or K swap) civic.... is this true? If not, who has a hybrid on this forum? Does anyone have a 5 speed manual? If so, any mods?
Just looking to see what has been done so far by others to this car....
I have had tons of hondas and I drove a 5 speed gas sipper the other day and I have some interesting ideas for the car.....
I did a quick search and found no one on this forum has a hybrid (gas/electric not B or K swap) civic.... is this true? If not, who has a hybrid on this forum? Does anyone have a 5 speed manual? If so, any mods?
Just looking to see what has been done so far by others to this car....
I have had tons of hondas and I drove a 5 speed gas sipper the other day and I have some interesting ideas for the car.....
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well, its a start.
Here's what we were thinking about: I want to know a bit more about the IMA interface into the drivetrain on the 5 speed cars.
Maybe someone on here has a civic factory manual for the 2005 models?
More specifically, I want to also know why the 2005 models have less power than the 2008 Civic Hybrid vehicles despite the same gas motor - were there electrical improvements?
Something to talk about.
Here's what we were thinking about: I want to know a bit more about the IMA interface into the drivetrain on the 5 speed cars.
Maybe someone on here has a civic factory manual for the 2005 models?
More specifically, I want to also know why the 2005 models have less power than the 2008 Civic Hybrid vehicles despite the same gas motor - were there electrical improvements?
Something to talk about.
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efficiencyJunkie Has a 2004 hybrid with manual transmission. PM him if you need to.
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well guess i was wrong 
well heres a quick comparo ive made:
08:
hp: 110@6600
tq: 123@100-2500
redline: 6300
bore and stroke: 73 x 80
comp ratios: 10:8:1
Valve train: 8valve SOHC IVtec
The generator puts out 20hp/76lb-ft tq
for the 05's, everything seems to be the same it seems. most likely they upped the electric generator to put out more power than the previous models since they did put on some weight...
well heres a quick comparo ive made:
08:
hp: 110@6600
tq: 123@100-2500
redline: 6300
bore and stroke: 73 x 80
comp ratios: 10:8:1
Valve train: 8valve SOHC IVtec
The generator puts out 20hp/76lb-ft tq
for the 05's, everything seems to be the same it seems. most likely they upped the electric generator to put out more power than the previous models since they did put on some weight...
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yup, thats me!
The power (or lack there of) doesnt make a real difference, its the trannys. The 08 has a CVT, and is obviously a much different animal than a traditional 5 speed. I picked the 1st gen because of the price (10k cheaper) and also it was much more nimble in terms of handling then the current car. (however, the new car is MUCH larger, and has a real trunk, as opposed to the one in the 1st gen)
Now, the 5 speed compared to the auto of the same gen, I would pick the 5 speed. Those CVTs were doomed for failure (they break ALL the time) and at least the 5 speed gives you some grunt while merging on to the freeway.
I look through some info and get back to you man. Let me know if you need any help though, as I was in the same boat as you and knew nothing about the car.
Also, you can post in the "HCH 1" forums on greenhybrid.com - lots of manual owners on there too.
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/
My car is in my sig; it has a RSX rear sway (progress, 22m) 15x7 FN01r (forged), and will soon have koni yellows on it.
I've auto-x'd it twice, and its fun! haha, in a sad sort of way.
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The power (or lack there of) doesnt make a real difference, its the trannys. The 08 has a CVT, and is obviously a much different animal than a traditional 5 speed. I picked the 1st gen because of the price (10k cheaper) and also it was much more nimble in terms of handling then the current car. (however, the new car is MUCH larger, and has a real trunk, as opposed to the one in the 1st gen)
Now, the 5 speed compared to the auto of the same gen, I would pick the 5 speed. Those CVTs were doomed for failure (they break ALL the time) and at least the 5 speed gives you some grunt while merging on to the freeway.
I look through some info and get back to you man. Let me know if you need any help though, as I was in the same boat as you and knew nothing about the car.
Also, you can post in the "HCH 1" forums on greenhybrid.com - lots of manual owners on there too.
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/
My car is in my sig; it has a RSX rear sway (progress, 22m) 15x7 FN01r (forged), and will soon have koni yellows on it.
I've auto-x'd it twice, and its fun! haha, in a sad sort of way.
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Thanks for taking a minute to post some thoughts.
The Hybris uses the IMA (integrated motor assist) package that incorporates an electric motor in the position the flywheel normally occupies. However, I have never taken one of these apart to see if they replace the flywheel or simply are another piece between the transmission and the engine block.
I have been very curious about this system since it's inception and often wondered about the range of upgrades that can be accomplished with these vehicles.
For example:
1. Is the ECU on these cars in the P72 family or another type?
2. Would the IMA package bolt to another family of motors than the "d-series"? I know the Hybrid accord is a V6... Would the Hybrid v6 accord motor bolt to a 5 speed and then be electronically adapted to the civic chassis. From what I can tell the battery packs from the civic and the accord are identical. If this was possible you could have a 270 plus hp civic that get 38mpg!
3. I know that we have been in touch with a company whom makes a genuinely good electric supercharger and it would be interesting to build a very high hp high mpg car "grassroots" style, without OEM support.
I love the fact that you upgraded the suspension and the wheels on the car, it looks great.
I live in oldfart town USA and here driving 35mph is the order of the day and having an exhaust will land you in jail (unless you are a harley davidson). Hence, the hybrid cars are about the only fun you can have within the laws!
The Hybris uses the IMA (integrated motor assist) package that incorporates an electric motor in the position the flywheel normally occupies. However, I have never taken one of these apart to see if they replace the flywheel or simply are another piece between the transmission and the engine block.
I have been very curious about this system since it's inception and often wondered about the range of upgrades that can be accomplished with these vehicles.
For example:
1. Is the ECU on these cars in the P72 family or another type?
2. Would the IMA package bolt to another family of motors than the "d-series"? I know the Hybrid accord is a V6... Would the Hybrid v6 accord motor bolt to a 5 speed and then be electronically adapted to the civic chassis. From what I can tell the battery packs from the civic and the accord are identical. If this was possible you could have a 270 plus hp civic that get 38mpg!
3. I know that we have been in touch with a company whom makes a genuinely good electric supercharger and it would be interesting to build a very high hp high mpg car "grassroots" style, without OEM support.
I love the fact that you upgraded the suspension and the wheels on the car, it looks great.
I live in oldfart town USA and here driving 35mph is the order of the day and having an exhaust will land you in jail (unless you are a harley davidson). Hence, the hybrid cars are about the only fun you can have within the laws!
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Getting any more power out of the 1.3L would a feat man - however there is a red insight (I will look for the link) that has a homemade turbo on it, giving it only about 30-40 hp, and it still gets around 55 mpg.
Honestly though, you will never get 270 hp out of the hybrid. Its just got wayy too many things already going on under the hood - my car throws CEL's stock. hahha
I would go drive one if you havent, its pretty gutless compared to whats out there.
The ECU's are not P72s if i'm not mistaken, (didnt they stop using them in 00?) . The electric motor is sandwiched inbetween the motor and tranny.
However the v6 accord hybrids are another animal, they are tons of fun to drive. That maybe more your avenue, but remember, you wont get better than 32 mpg or so.
Honestly though, you will never get 270 hp out of the hybrid. Its just got wayy too many things already going on under the hood - my car throws CEL's stock. hahha
I would go drive one if you havent, its pretty gutless compared to whats out there.
The ECU's are not P72s if i'm not mistaken, (didnt they stop using them in 00?) . The electric motor is sandwiched inbetween the motor and tranny.
However the v6 accord hybrids are another animal, they are tons of fun to drive. That maybe more your avenue, but remember, you wont get better than 32 mpg or so.
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Thanks for the continued dialog!
I would never imagine a 270hp 1.3 liter using the existing platform without a miracle. My mention of the 270 hp was to drop the Hybrid Accord V6 into the Civic platform (for giggles). I would imagine we would probable net around 34mpg in the city and a little less on the highway. This increase in economy would be a result of the much lighter weight of the civic platform. However, I'd imagine the V6 is about 150-200lbs more portly than the civic motor!
I wonder if anyone has pictures of the motor between the transmission and the engine - I'd love to take a look at it.
I actuall have driven both the CVT and the Manual. The CVT is actually better for the normal driver as it allows quick spool up to maximum (albiet minumum) thrust/torque.
However, I think the manual is more fun due to the game of getting maximum MPG. The one I drove I average 51mpg in a 15 mile city loop with a couple full throttle attempts.
Here's a question I notice the CVT 2008 models can travel at 25mph for a little while on only electric power and uses the Vtec to open both intake and exhaust for no "pumping loses" when driven by electric power.
I can not find any honda literature to show that either the CVT or manual 04-05 models do this. Does you vehicle run on electric only below 25mph? If so this would be very exciting as I would simply bridge into the 144 volt sytem with 12 braille batteries and have amuch longer electric only range - I love only 1.2 miles from the Braille Manufacturing location and it would be great to drive their on electric power. (the speed limit on the roads I travel are 30mph by the way).
I would never imagine a 270hp 1.3 liter using the existing platform without a miracle. My mention of the 270 hp was to drop the Hybrid Accord V6 into the Civic platform (for giggles). I would imagine we would probable net around 34mpg in the city and a little less on the highway. This increase in economy would be a result of the much lighter weight of the civic platform. However, I'd imagine the V6 is about 150-200lbs more portly than the civic motor!
I wonder if anyone has pictures of the motor between the transmission and the engine - I'd love to take a look at it.
I actuall have driven both the CVT and the Manual. The CVT is actually better for the normal driver as it allows quick spool up to maximum (albiet minumum) thrust/torque.
However, I think the manual is more fun due to the game of getting maximum MPG. The one I drove I average 51mpg in a 15 mile city loop with a couple full throttle attempts.
Here's a question I notice the CVT 2008 models can travel at 25mph for a little while on only electric power and uses the Vtec to open both intake and exhaust for no "pumping loses" when driven by electric power.
I can not find any honda literature to show that either the CVT or manual 04-05 models do this. Does you vehicle run on electric only below 25mph? If so this would be very exciting as I would simply bridge into the 144 volt sytem with 12 braille batteries and have amuch longer electric only range - I love only 1.2 miles from the Braille Manufacturing location and it would be great to drive their on electric power. (the speed limit on the roads I travel are 30mph by the way).
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Well, the full electric is referred to as "2 mode hybrid"
From what I understand, the 03-05 hybrid is not a 2 mode hybrid - it cannont run on its own electric power, regardless of tranny. However, under 25 mph, with the brakes on, the engine will turn of, and it idles off as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Mode_Hybrid
Honda's Integrated Motor Assist uses a more traditional ICE and transmission where the flywheel is replaced with an electric motor.
In its first generation, IMA could not power the car on electricity alone, and could only use the motor to assist or start the engine. The 2006 Civic Hybrid, however, can activate the electric motor while the vehicle is coasting without turning the ICE on, though in contrast to Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) or General Motors and DaimlerChrysler's Global Hybrid Cooperation, the IMA has a less powerful motor/generator which allows the car to slow or stop its rate of deceleration to a lesser extent; it cannot operate without turning over the ICE which is directly coupled to its electric motor.
From what I understand, the 03-05 hybrid is not a 2 mode hybrid - it cannont run on its own electric power, regardless of tranny. However, under 25 mph, with the brakes on, the engine will turn of, and it idles off as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Mode_Hybrid
Honda's Integrated Motor Assist uses a more traditional ICE and transmission where the flywheel is replaced with an electric motor.
In its first generation, IMA could not power the car on electricity alone, and could only use the motor to assist or start the engine. The 2006 Civic Hybrid, however, can activate the electric motor while the vehicle is coasting without turning the ICE on, though in contrast to Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) or General Motors and DaimlerChrysler's Global Hybrid Cooperation, the IMA has a less powerful motor/generator which allows the car to slow or stop its rate of deceleration to a lesser extent; it cannot operate without turning over the ICE which is directly coupled to its electric motor.
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Why can't we get this one? Yeah yeah...JDM only model. My thing is this...the earlier USDM models (04-05) looked the best. For some reason the newer one looks goofy compared to the other Civics to me.
A hybrid does interest me. I'm concerned if I buy used that the battery pack will go out on me and not be covered by the warranty. How much do they cost? Also, what is the regular maintenance intervals for these cars?
A hybrid does interest me. I'm concerned if I buy used that the battery pack will go out on me and not be covered by the warranty. How much do they cost? Also, what is the regular maintenance intervals for these cars?
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Batteries;
Standard warranty is 80k on em right now, state wide. (for used and new ones, check with Honda though) I think they cost 3k, and used ones show on ebay for under 1k.
The maintenance is exactly the same as a normal car, I actually havent had to touch mine except for oil changes/air filters (I use a K&N drop in) - and mine has 90k.
European, JDM front/ rear is much sexier. You could convert it, but its probably not feasible.
Standard warranty is 80k on em right now, state wide. (for used and new ones, check with Honda though) I think they cost 3k, and used ones show on ebay for under 1k.
The maintenance is exactly the same as a normal car, I actually havent had to touch mine except for oil changes/air filters (I use a K&N drop in) - and mine has 90k.
European, JDM front/ rear is much sexier. You could convert it, but its probably not feasible.
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ok turns out, my hybrid battery failed.
However, honda is covering it. They said its the first car they have seen that has had its battery fail so early (@ 90k) - otherwise the part is around 3k!
However, honda is covering it. They said its the first car they have seen that has had its battery fail so early (@ 90k) - otherwise the part is around 3k!
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i've never seen a Civic Hybrid battery fail. weird.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by efficiencyJunkie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok turns out, my hybrid battery failed.
However, honda is covering it. They said its the first car they have seen that has had its battery fail so early (@ 90k) - otherwise the part is around 3k!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Damn. That scares me from buying a used one. At least Honda is covering it though.
However, honda is covering it. They said its the first car they have seen that has had its battery fail so early (@ 90k) - otherwise the part is around 3k!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Damn. That scares me from buying a used one. At least Honda is covering it though.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've never seen a Civic Hybrid battery fail. weird.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats the same thing i've heard! Everyone only see insights batteries fail.
Honestly though, the car was working perfectly fine, and still getting around 45 mpg, although the battery was discharging quite fast.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats the same thing i've heard! Everyone only see insights batteries fail.
Honestly though, the car was working perfectly fine, and still getting around 45 mpg, although the battery was discharging quite fast.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tearlessj »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whats the engine code for the 1st gen hybrids? This car has NO aftermarket support for it. lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bought a K&N drop in. haha. Honestly, how much power do you need day to day anyways? Other than merging on a freeway, the car is fine.
Have you driven a VX civic hatchback? Its sort of like that.
I bought a K&N drop in. haha. Honestly, how much power do you need day to day anyways? Other than merging on a freeway, the car is fine.
Have you driven a VX civic hatchback? Its sort of like that.
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i've never seen a Civic Hybrid battery fail. weird.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA.
now Insights are a different story... lol.
oh, and if you guys need more specific info from service manuals, etc. or technical knowledge that i've got.. let me know. i'm fully trained by Honda on the IMA stuff and pretty much everything non-IMA.
I have a 2003 Civic Hybrid and the batteries failed at 84k. I had good records and Honda replaced for free.
May I ask for your guidance?
I now have 173k on my car and have check engine lights on. The reader says its P1166 (heater oxygen sensor, bank2 sensor1, heater malfunction) and P0134 (O2 circuit no activity detected, bank1 sensor1). I am fairly mechanicly handy but... How do I find what exact parts to replace and replacement install instructions?
Thanks fo your help!
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Re: 2005 Civic Hybrid - Who has a manual transmission on this forum?
Its been almost a year since Mike has been on the site, and over 5 since anyone posted in this thread. I wouldn't hold my breath for a response.
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Well, if you know how to remove and replace a spark plug, you can replace the 2 oxygen sensors. Go down to your trusty auto parts store and buy them along with some anti-sieze compound. One oxygen sensor is right in the middle when you open the hood by the exhaust. the second is by the catalytic converter under the car. you can't miss them.
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