Hi, I got a 96 Integra GS-R and it has around 227,000kms. I'm planning to rebuild this engine later on, but I was wondering how long do these motors last? I definitely want to rebuild the motor before it goes but I'm still reading and learning about them.

How much would it cost to rebuild my NA engine so it'll make around 190-200whp parts and labor? Is it possible to do this with a $4000-5000 budget?

 

With your budget you shouldn't have a problem.

To help figure out how much your going to need just look into parts your going to need by looking at other people's builds that have reached that power.

Get a parts list together and get prices on the internet.
Call up local machine shops to get a quote on labor and other neccessary tasks (hone, bore, sleeve, port, mill, etc.)
Don't forget to include the costs of tunning.
Add atleast 500 bucks for unseen costs.

Your build costs will vary depending upon how much of the work you plan on doing yourself.

Ali

 

I droped my long block off at the machine shop, I'm having them do a rebuild all stock 1600. Just to give you an idea.

 

Using OEM or OE parts?

Ali

 

I have a 1994 GSR with 203K miles. I keep thinking I will need a rebuild soon too. But the engine runs hella great, burns very little oil and doesnt smoke, and sounds great. Until you hear the valves tapping or you start blowing lots of smoke or oil out the back, just enjoy the well built honda motor you have. You might hit 350,000 before you really need a rebuild. Gotta love stock.

 

I would also consider a jdm itr swap as it is the same price range and oem quality. I just rebuilt mine and paid more than a jdm itr swap would have cost...

 

jdm itr swap with quality i/h/e will get you to 190 whp.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/44

 

OEM parts for my build . you can buy a swap but that motor will not be 0 miles. You can just start sowly buying parts. Than when you have everything pull the motor and do it. You should do it right the first time and forget about it.

 

It will not be 0 miles and that is the reason why I went with a full rebuild but you will have to deal with other issues. E.g. By the time you start replacing all of the parts you need it will add up to more than the cost of the swap. I have done both and the swaps have always been quicker and lasted longer with fewer issues. If you know your builder very well then I would say that is the route to go, otherwise get a swap.

 

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you dont know how many miles a JDM ITR swap will have , maybe a lot of miles who knows...

to the OP just rebuild your motor with ITR parts ..!!!

 

Dude with 4-5k you can do a B18c5 or even H2B for that much or even just pick up a jdm gsr if you really like them
You really have a lot of options all you need is a longblock because you already ave a tranny.
Then you can sell your engine after the swap or buld another on the side.

http://www.tigerjapanese.com/i...id=26

 

yeah but I don't want a b18c5. I was thinking that if I'm going to rebuild the engine for 4-5k I can rebuild it and make it better than a b18c5. I already have the engine so why not. I'm looking to rebuild this engine and planning to get at least 190whp. B18c5 are 160-165whp is it not?

I been looking at build threads and still getting the information and learning on what parts to get. There's just a lot of different setups and parts that can make the same power out there. I still have a lot of time so I'm going to take this slowly. I have only 228kms (141k miles) on my car right now and I hear that these engines can last up to 350kms (217k miles) or even more.

 

B18c5 will giv you like 170-180whp stock and with slight mods be up to 200
But you might as well build your stock motor, but i'm not sure how long that block will last even if you rebuild.
As long as you don't live in CALI i would say maybe go LS/V or B20/V.

Go to some machine shops around where you live and get quotes on the work, while your there ask about a head job also,


Rebuilt gsr 150 ish to the wheel
I/H/E and +15
built head +20 much better acceleration
ecu mods +10
high comp itr pistons (p73)+10ish
knife edge crankshaft + 5 better all around performance
lightened flighwheel and ACT clutch and you will have a freeway killer and you'll be pretty strong on the track also

 

wait your telling me the block I have now might not last even if I do a rebuild? I thought when you do a rebuild with new parts that it would be like a fresh motor with 0 miles on it...is it not like that?

 

for rebuild if the block is worn, you may need oversize pistons, etc... that is why I suggested a swap. Unless you plan to use the car for HPDE or racing, the swap is the cheapest and easier way to go. You aslo get the itr tranny with LSD. Plus you can just use a stock itr computer, where a modified one needs to be tuned. My hondata plus tuning was about $800.

Stock B18C5 is about 165 hp
intake, header and exhaust should get you another 15 hp, more if you use a long tube header, maybe up to 25hp. That would get you into 190hp at the wheels teritorry with stock computer and everything else.

For GSR to make the samer power you will need
pistons- itr or ctr
cams- at least itr if not more aggressive
intake manifold- skunk2 or similar
headwork- remember itr is ported slightly
larger throttle body
same intake, header, exhaust
Tuning and lots of it...

I did make 180hp on my old JDM GSR motor with everything except the headwork but this was running without a cat. With a cat it would have been probably about 175hp.

 

it is in most cases, but there is still alot of miles on the block and that is just something that i'm not a big fan of, for the same price as rebuilding you can get one with 30-50k on a full long block.
This is just my opinion though i'm not as experienced in this area as i would like to be.
Take anything i say with a grain of salt

 

Thanks for all the replies guys. This really got me into researching more on the build. My plan is rebuild the engine I have now with aftermarket parts to get to my 190-200whp goal, but everybody seem to be swaying me to just do a swap instead. What I understand is a B18C5 in my area cost around $4400-$4600 and thats not including the install yet. I would then have to get all the bolts on I/H/E that would be probably around $1500. After all is done I'm looking at least $6500 and probably maybe around 180whp.

I haven't research enough or got a price list of how much the rebuild is going to cost, but I'm hoping that it's not going to be over $5000.

What I'm concern about is hearing the block I have might not last even after the rebuild? I have around 228kms (141k miles) on my block right now and I've seen people around here start the rebuild with that much miles on their block. Also everyones been telling me that these engines can last up to 350kms (217k miles) which gives me a lot time to save up and research.

 

I dont know if its an option, but for your budget, a turbo setup is your best bet. For $4-5k, you could have over 300whp...

 

Install for a swap is usually in the $500 range, $250 for take out, $250 to put back in. If you have header and exhaust already you can reuse those. Intake is cheap, just get an password JDM intake or comptech icebox. You can reduce the costs by selling your old tranny, and block. Turbo guys will buy it to sleeve and rebuild. You will be getting a low mileage tried and trued setup. The tranny alone is worth over $1K if you don't want it and want to reuse your GSR one but why would you since you get a LSD with better gear ratios. Most of the motors from Japan are low mileage because if they keep a car past 3 years the taxes they pay to keep the car are very expensive so they end up trading them in. This is why there are so many used JDM motors for sale.

Your current motor will last if you are not burning any oil right now, if so then I would say you are due, the car I bought had 160K miles and bottom end let go soon after that. All my other GSR's were similar.

Rebuild will cost alot to hit your goals:

Headwork - $1K depending on who does it and what parts included.
Bottom end will cost around $1.5K with stock parts. Since you need higher compression pistons add the cost of those. Another $250 to $500.

Additional parts you will need for sure:
Cams: say skunk or buddy club and you will need to about $500 to $600 more.
Add the required valve springs and retainers, that is another $500.
Cam gears, $250.
Single stage intake manifold $350.
New intake $250
Fuel Injectors will be another $250

Tuning with Hondata or similar $800. you could use a chipped ecu and VAFC but the cost would be similar.

Add labor to put together and install, will be much more than swap as all they are doing with that is dropping the motor in. You can see that the cost is getting way up there now.

Bottom line is determine what you will be doing with the car before you decide one way or the other. I think swap is better for a street car with minimal track time. If you plan on going to the track alot then a full out rebuild may be what you want. Also consider where you will get the work done, almost any mechanic can put a motor in without screwing it up but to find a good builder is tough.

Good luck on your decision.

 

do the install yourself and save the money it's not hard at all, my friends and i just did our last swap in 2 day and we were dicking around the whole time.

 

So the cost would be:
Headwork - $1000
Bottom end - $1500
Pistons - $500
Cams - $500
Cam Gears - $250
Intake Manifold - $350
Fuel Injectors - $250
Tuning with Hondata $800
labor $1000-$1500 (estimate)
Total $6000-6500

That is close to the cost of the swap actually.

I'm still undecided on what to do now. I'll take my time and ask around for builders. You might be right though since there aren't a lot of builders in my area and might cost me a lot more to build this engine. I'll do some more research on my part and see what the actual cost is going to be before I decide one anything. Still got a lot of time though so no worries.

 

if you just go to a shop around you then you can get a built engine installed for a lot less.

 

Contact "Combustion Contraption" if you want head work, his price is half of that, and what is that price you listed for the bottom end for? Is that to buy a used one or to actually reassemble a bottom end, cause i bought a spare gsr block for 360 and my assembly and block machine work was only 380?
ITR pistons = $150
Cams used = $200-400, new 300-500
Cam Gears = $120-200
Blox/Skunk2 IM = $140-180
Tuning w/ chrome $400-500
Labor around $??????, depending on what your having done.

 

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To make around that much power you do not need

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Headwork - $1000
Bottom end - $1500
Pistons - $500
Cams - $500
Cam Gears - $250
Intake Manifold - $350
Fuel Injectors - $250
Tuning with Hondata $800
labor $1000-$1500 (estimate)
Total $6000-6500
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There are a few things you can change with your build.

IMO, headwork is not required. Just freshen up the head and mill it a little. You don't need to spend $500 on pistons, you can use itr, jdm itr, or ctr pistons. And you can save a little money on your cam gears.

But you also left out a good header in your budget. And don't forget to set aside a few hundred bucks for all new gaskets, and fluids. Im not sure what mounts your currently running but it would also be a good idea to upgrade them as well.

Ali