they make cams for non- vtec cars right??

 

Yes, companies make cams for non-VTEC cars. VTEC is only available on Honda and Acura vehicles. All cars have cams. Thus, a car like the Evo from Mitsubishi, would have aftermarket cams, but the car itself does not have VTEC.

If we're talking about the D17A1, which we most likely are, you can find them at Dezod

http://www.dezod.com/cat_camshafts.cfm

The engine isn't that great of an engine in terms of money/power, but the option is there.

 

all of the cams listed on dezod.com say they're for the EX, which means they are VTEC cams

i honestly dont know what the effects of running a VTEC cam on a non VTEC motor are, however, if you're interested in the Crower Stage 1 cam, i have one for sale (see my signature).

 

correct me if im wrong but on our cams for our Vtech-e ....or e-Vtech(forgot what it is called) I believe we have less cam lobes on our cam then traditional Vtech cams. It was for saving fuel, and that is why when our Vtech hits it is just like .................oook...

 

because your car has 90hp and its an economy car
basicly "VTEC" is usless in our cars unless their boosted.

 

not all cars have cams =]

v-dub bugs dont.

 

Our cars just have one cam.
Well, most of us

 

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First of all, there's no "h" in VTEC, or VTEC-E. Secondly, VTEC-E has two intake lobe profiles, but only one exhaust lobe profile (meaning only the intake air velocity is adjusted).

 

gotcha

 

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First of all, there's no "h" in VTEC, or VTEC-E. Secondly, VTEC-E has two intake lobe profiles, but only one exhaust lobe profile (meaning only the intake air velocity is adjusted).</TD></TR></TABLE>
SO where can i find cams for a D17a1 motor cause im not spending 1500-2k for A2 swap to gain 15whp

 

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SO where can i find cams for a D17a1 motor cause im not spending 1500-2k for A2 swap to gain 15whp</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know of a place that sells non-VTEC cams for the D17. And, to be honest, I don't see the point.

 

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The reason for that is because there is none. OP, don't waste your money.

 

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basicly "VTEC" is usless in our cars unless their boosted.</TD></TR></TABLE>



no vtec is not useless in our motors, its actually a gas saver, and if you're boosted its still used for saving gas. VTEC does virtually nothing for power in our d17s..

 

You wont find any unless they are custom grinds, contact Pual @ Dezod, that's your best bet to get in the right direction.

 

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no vtec is not useless in our motors, its actually a gas saver, and if you're boosted its still used for saving gas. VTEC does virtually nothing for power in our d17s.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it saves gas but it also helps out alot when your boosted... pull up boilers dyno charts on where he set his vtec at and how much power was lost and gained just by setting the engagement point... youd be shocked at how our "crappy" vtec actually helps in terms of power gains...

back to cams. contact the manufacturer directly rather than going through paul. theres a reason he isnt a vendor here on HT....

 

i wouldnt suggest dropping a cam in a non vtec d17. it'll be hard to find a profile that'll run well without completely messing up bottom end torque and you can wave good bye to fuel economy and smooth idle. The benefit of vtec is that you get to run two cam profiles, when vtec isnt engaged, it retains smooth idle, power in the low end and good fuel economy, but once the rockers lock you can use a more aggressive profile with high lift to get power in the mid and high ranges. basically, getting a cam in a non vtec sohc d17 would be like permanently running vtec, and it would probably be really loud.

 

look into Gude they sell complete packages for d17's....and an a2 should give you quite a bit more than 15 hp...

 

well the way i understand the vtec-e on our cars is really a made for economy and to have a flat transition during engagement. the lower camshaft lobe the is only opening 12 valves out of 16. one stays closed in each cylinder. when the vtec engages it activates the rocker arm that opens the valve that wasnt opened before. it opens at a slight offset to create a swirl for more fuel economy. http://asia.vtec.net/spfeature/vtecimpl/vtec1.html (look down the list)

the reason boosted peoples car make more power once it engages is because it has more room to get air into the cylinders. so i would argue that the a1 head could respond better to a camshaft because it is in constant 16 valve mode but would sacrifice economy. the camshaft design plays into whether or not you would lose all your low end torque as well. generally duration is increased in aftermarket camshafts because it is the easiest way to make more power but usually requires a higher rpm with lose of low end , but there are ways to increase low end which will usually in turn lessen the top end.

just thought i might help a little while not writing a book lol assuming this does help. also if your interested in a custom grind camshaft talk to bisimoto and they should be able to help you out. i have heard horror stories with gude and the d17


Modified by NA-ES1 at 10:13 AM 12/20/2007

 

also, it shouldnt cost that much, i got my cylinder head for 200 and im doing the swap myself, if you were to get it installed, it would be about 200-600. I just bought a stage 1 cam and im still going to get the head resurfaced before installation =D

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lifes_simple &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, it shouldnt cost that much, i got my cylinder head for 200 and im doing the swap myself, if you were to get it installed, it would be about 200-600. I just bought a stage 1 cam and im still going to get the head resurfaced before installation =D</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 1500 i posted was a quote for a shop in south jersey