I know alot of you hate that whole idea, but keep the thread technical.

Anyways, I've seen a few of the swaps done, and it honestly looks like it's pretty straight forward. Like anyone with some decent fab skills(or access to a friend with fab skills) could pull it off. Anyone ever look into this too?

I'm not trying to start any sort of debacle here... Just stating that I think it's a pretty cool swap and that the 4g63 has great potential.

 

id rather go with an engine that has a better desighn. easier management w/e, the first and second gen ecu's from the DSM's seem to have some support.

why a 4g63? they arent very reliable transmisson wise, not to mention the turbos are older.

but ya i looked at that one car that had it done, if you can run a bead the mounts should be no problem at all.

keep in mind axel angle, when building the mounts

and saying the motor was built for boost really isnt a great statement to make. the bottom ends are cast iron sure......that CAN be seen as an improvment....but the top ends don't flow very well (im told). closed deck desighn......not many aftermarket parts...........

it is impossible to create a 4g63 without any oem parts.

you can easily build a b16 without using any oem parts...........its ridicuoulous now.

 

If I were to ever do it, it would have a standalone and nothing near a stock turbo.

Also, I'm a big fan of their auto trans. They're very nice, and would be a huge help in a fast fwd car.

 

oh ya the 4g63's that are being swapped are vastly diffrent from the mistubishi evolution series in america..........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xxbulaxx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I were to ever do it, it would have a standalone and nothing near a stock turbo.

Also, I'm a big fan of their auto trans. They're very nice, and would be a huge help in a fast fwd car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so cost is not an issue? why not just run a built and turbocharged k24? looking at better heads, block design, more displacement, a newer motor.

 

I don't like manual transmissions in drag cars. Since that's mainly what I do, I'd rather have an auto.

If honda had an auto that could bolt to a b series and could handle big power, I'd be all over it. I've been contemplating building a honda for years, but the 5 speed always turned me off.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xxbulaxx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't like manual transmissions in drag cars. Since that's mainly what I do, I'd rather have an auto.

If honda had an auto that could bolt to a b series and could handle big power, I'd be all over it. I've been contemplating building a honda for years, but the 5 speed always turned me off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

cool, be sure to keep a log of the build

 

*If*

It's a possibility...I'm probably gonna run that car in my avatar for another year, and find a nice shell and a drivetrain in the meantime.

 

all i see is a black blur in your avatar LOL what is it a fox body mustang?

 

I pulled the pictures from a video...So it's kind on grainy. http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwS65EBPtQs







It's just some slow junker with a big goofy hood.

 

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It's just some slow junker with a big goofy hood. </TD></TR></TABLE>

looks like it LOL you're 19 and you built that?

damn im the same age you are, and im trying to juggle school, my civic, and income LOL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic.slow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like it LOL you're 19 and you built that?

damn im the same age you are, and im trying to juggle school, my civic, and income LOL </TD></TR></TABLE>

Eh...I bought the car running with that engine and trans. I put a fuel system in it, a nitrous kit, and a few other small things. Now I'm going through the whole car trying to sort it all out. I moved the gauges around, re wired them all(I went for over a year with no backlights)...and now I'm yanking the motor to paint the engine and engine bay, plus moving the MSD box and stuff. Just basically asthetic stuff to make the car nicer looking.

It does what it does in that vid/pics with oem control arms, bushings, k-member, a-arms. Stock rear control arms to a mustang is like a honda with no traction bars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic.slow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id rather go with an engine that has a better desighn. easier management w/e, the first and second gen ecu's from the DSM's seem to have some support.

why a 4g63? they arent very reliable transmisson wise, not to mention the turbos are older.

but ya i looked at that one car that had it done, if you can run a bead the mounts should be no problem at all.

keep in mind axel angle, when building the mounts

and saying the motor was built for boost really isnt a great statement to make. the bottom ends are cast iron sure......that CAN be seen as an improvment....but the top ends don't flow very well (im told). closed deck desighn......not many aftermarket parts...........

it is impossible to create a 4g63 without any oem parts.

you can easily build a b16 without using any oem parts...........its ridicuoulous now. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I honestly dont know what your talking about here. 4g63 motors are great motors..you can make good power on them with stock internals. I've seen as much as 531awhp on stock block with hks cams, and to be honest with a 4g63 I would build it with mostly OEM parts. I'm pretty sure another reason he wants to swap it is because of the awd.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xxbulaxx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I were to ever do it, it would have a standalone and nothing near a stock turbo.

Also, I'm a big fan of their auto trans. They're very nice, and would be a huge help in a fast fwd car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No need for standalone, an EPROM ecu from one of these cars is fully programmable with a eprom burner and someone knowledgeable of the software.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TIGboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I honestly dont know what your talking about here. 4g63 motors are great motors..you can make good power on them with stock internals. I've seen as much as 531awhp on stock block with hks cams, and to be honest with a 4g63 I would build it with mostly OEM parts. I'm pretty sure another reason he wants to swap it is because of the awd. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It would be fwd still. As cool as awd would be, it's not too feasable for me at least. Making a set of motor mounts is one thing, chopping up the whole rear end of the car to fit the diff and everything is a huge project.

They do make great power with a stock shortblock...And rods and pistons are cheap so it's not a big expense to put a nice bottom end together that could handle basically anything.

 

well thats cool, I had a fwd 1st gen talon I made really good power with stock internals roughly 400whp with a to4b bullseye v-trim. yeah the eprom should do just fine..maybe you shoud look at dsmlink for tuning. good luck!

 

Unless you want to go for AWD, the 4G63 is a waste of time. Figure out how to drive a manual tranny and go with a turbo B series, it'll be faster than a slushbox.

 

Your not gonna any love posting this on a honda forum even though it's a good idea.

There's a fwd mitsu rolling around in canada with an auto tranny running in the 8's.

 

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It would be fwd still. As cool as awd would be, it's not too feasable for me at least. Making a set of motor mounts is one thing, chopping up the whole rear end of the car to fit the diff and everything is a huge project.
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1. Motor mounts are a joke you dont need to make a set of mounts.

2. Over estimation in the hacking.

My talons rear subframe there isn't much but 4 points.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TIGboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I honestly dont know what your talking about here. 4g63 motors are great motors..you can make good power on them with stock internals. I've seen as much as 531awhp on stock block with hks cams, and to be honest with a 4g63 I would build it with mostly OEM parts. I'm pretty sure another reason he wants to swap it is because of the awd. </TD></TR></TABLE>

are they really that much better than our honda motors?

damn i saw a first gen 4g63 on craigslist for 100 bucks, but the rings were shot and the turbo wasnt there................should i go this route instead of the k24 for my civic?

 

Stock they are better motors.

 

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how about modded, i got the rsx-s oiling system on my k24a1 and a k20a2 head on it being ready to be dropped in the chassis

 

^^^yes they are that much better! i will sell you a 1st gen awd talon (complete car) with BIG turbo, front mount, crower cams, built bottom, no interior and smoking like a freight train. i think it popped a valve seal but i dont feel like fixing it again. done with dsms, but i would gladly trrade you the whole car for your motor setup

 

oh and for you doing this swap. i say go for it, be an innovator and eff the haters. there are quite a few really fast auto fwd dsms out there, throw it all in a lighter honda chassis and youve got yourself a true beast. for everyone else hes most likely going with the auto trans for consistency and less breakage

 

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Yeah, not really. A for effort though.