All Motor Setup - pricing?
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All Motor Setup - pricing?
Hey guys,
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
[Modified by 1 FAST R, 1:00 AM 6/27/2002]
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
[Modified by 1 FAST R, 1:00 AM 6/27/2002]
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (1 FAST R)
My first concern is that you live in california...and with all motor you need higher octane...so beware how high you go and how far with that all motor setup...And very nice choice on the jun's!!..in a nutshell, its all in the tunning..have you every considered boost??
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (1 FAST R)
- Apex'i VAFC---~300
- Mugen Headgasket---ever think of jus getting a 2 layer oem gasket, with betta bolsters?
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust----CHEAP, ~100 bucks or something, crimp bend, or a lil more for mandrel---im me, my boy's dad's shop does mandrel---get ur own muffler tho
hopep that helps...
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (1 FAST R)
Hey guys,
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
stock head and cams, stock headgasket, Endyne Rollerwaves 81.5mm high compression pistons , SMS header , FPR , cam gears , Skunk program P28,GSR throttle body and exhaust, then just tune. I've seen results of 196whp 141ftlb with that setup minus SMS header, JDM 4-1 instead. Keep it simple.
[Modified by i 4, 9:52 AM 6/27/2002]
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (1 FAST R)
Hey guys,
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
[Modified by 1 FAST R, 1:00 AM 6/27/2002]
I have finalized my all motor setup. I would like to know realistically how much I am going to need for the follow setup, since I have been unable to get prices on all the parts. Let me know how much you guys think I'm going to need for parts alone / install / and dyno time. Thanks!
- Jun head package
- Toda Camgears
- Apex'i VAFC
- Mugen Headgasket
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust
- Comptech Aluminum Flywheel
- Clutchmaster's Stage 3 Clutch
(Also if there is anything else you think I might need, let me know) thanks!
[Modified by 1 FAST R, 1:00 AM 6/27/2002]
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (BeastyITR)
Quick question. If your going w/ JUN Head Package, why do u wan Toda Cam Gears? Is there somthing wrong w/ JUN's? There both Made from the Factory Gear.... Anyway If you trying to Go w/ a nice BALLSEY Setup, You'll need a Good Header.. Im selling my Spoon Header.... Its in Great condition, NO DENT, and less than 5000 miles on it. Im asking 700 Shipped. So let me know if your interested....
Nick
Nick
Toda gen 2 gears are not made from oem pieces.....
Chris, you need to decide whether you want power or allmotor.....
Get a decent turbo kit and run low boost... It'll be lots of fun.
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (Black R)
Quick question. If your going w/ JUN Head Package, why do u wan Toda Cam Gears? Is there somthing wrong w/ JUN's? There both Made from the Factory Gear.... Anyway If you trying to Go w/ a nice BALLSEY Setup, You'll need a Good Header.. Im selling my Spoon Header.... Its in Great condition, NO DENT, and less than 5000 miles on it. Im asking 700 Shipped. So let me know if your interested....
Nick
Toda gen 2 gears are not made from oem pieces.....
Chris, you need to decide whether you want power or allmotor.....
Get a decent turbo kit and run low boost... It'll be lots of fun.
Nick
Toda gen 2 gears are not made from oem pieces.....
Chris, you need to decide whether you want power or allmotor.....
Get a decent turbo kit and run low boost... It'll be lots of fun.
There's no point for him to go Boost. Why go boost, when his car is already prepped for NA.... Besides its not worth the hassle....
ALL MOTOR ALL DAY!!!!
nick
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (BeastyITR)
Third the motion. Studs is a must if your re-builing the motor. But I guess you already know that
I've seen a couple of instance's my friend's forgot one darn simple thing to hold in place.......
I've seen a couple of instance's my friend's forgot one darn simple thing to hold in place.......
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (BeastyITR)
My bad, the older ones were
There's no point for him to go Boost. Why go boost, when his car is already prepped for NA.... Besides its not worth the hassle....
ALL MOTOR ALL DAY!!!!
nick
There's no point for him to go Boost. Why go boost, when his car is already prepped for NA.... Besides its not worth the hassle....
ALL MOTOR ALL DAY!!!!
nick
what?
His motor is prepped for allmotor how? because it's STOCK?!
Take it from one who has a mild allmotor buildup... the reliability myth is just that.
And a very light b00st buildup will run circles around allmotor in terms of cost/ ease of use/ and simplicity. Don't discount snails - they win the race. 
Chris, IM me with any more questions. You've been kicking tires on building the motor for some time.....
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (Black R)
what?
His motor is prepped for allmotor how? because it's STOCK?!
Take it from one who has a mild allmotor buildup... the reliability myth is just that. And a very light b00st buildup will run circles around allmotor in terms of cost/ ease of use/ and simplicity. Don't discount snails - they win the race.
His motor is prepped for allmotor how? because it's STOCK?!
Take it from one who has a mild allmotor buildup... the reliability myth is just that.
And a very light b00st buildup will run circles around allmotor in terms of cost/ ease of use/ and simplicity. Don't discount snails - they win the race.
2, the CR is a bit high to be boosting on, not that it wont work, but your only looking for problems in my eyes going turbo in a ITR.......but thats just my opinion... If he had a GSR, where the CR isn't that high, and the gearing is a bit longer, then i would agree with (Black R) in going Turbo....
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (BeastyITR)
what?
His motor is prepped for allmotor how? because it's STOCK?!
Take it from one who has a mild allmotor buildup... the reliability myth is just that. And a very light b00st buildup will run circles around allmotor in terms of cost/ ease of use/ and simplicity. Don't discount snails - they win the race.
for 1, his car has short gearing. Lets say he boosts 8psi, i would love to see him hook with that...
2, the CR is a bit high to be boosting on, not that it wont work, but your only looking for problems in my eyes going turbo in a ITR.......but thats just my opinion... If he had a GSR, where the CR isn't that high, and the gearing is a bit longer, then i would agree with (Black R) in going Turbo....
nick
His motor is prepped for allmotor how? because it's STOCK?!
Take it from one who has a mild allmotor buildup... the reliability myth is just that.
And a very light b00st buildup will run circles around allmotor in terms of cost/ ease of use/ and simplicity. Don't discount snails - they win the race. for 1, his car has short gearing. Lets say he boosts 8psi, i would love to see him hook with that...
2, the CR is a bit high to be boosting on, not that it wont work, but your only looking for problems in my eyes going turbo in a ITR.......but thats just my opinion... If he had a GSR, where the CR isn't that high, and the gearing is a bit longer, then i would agree with (Black R) in going Turbo....
nick
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (reefer_bob)
Don't forget a good set of ARP Head Studs... at about a buck and a quarter...
wtf do you need arp studs for? what's wrong with stock?
Somebody give me some reasons why allmotor is better on a b18c5 than b00st...
So far all I'm hearing is "it just is." Wow, how enlightening.
Chris, either way you're gonna end up spending let's say $5k. For that price you can get ctr pistons, lumpy cams (toda b, c, or jun3), p&p head, stronger timing belt, hondata stage 2, cam gears, valve springs, retainers... maybe a j&s, diy o2, and egt... This will give you 200-210whp...
OR
You could get a drag 3 kit on a groupbuy or on sale from importparts.com for say $2500... Add another $1k in little things you need to get rid of the piggyback stuff, and still get hondata stage 2b, 440cc injectors, j&s, diy o2, and egt... With 6-8lbs of boost (which is possible with hondata), you'll be making 240-280whp.
Now somebody making all these objections to turbo please tell me why. Why is it you say the compression is too high? Too high for what? Too high to make power? Look up.
[Modified by Black R, 12:12 AM 6/28/2002]
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (i 4)
i dont how much power you are trying to make....but if you are shooting for 200whp ..there are some things i would change , erase the jun head package, the VAFC and the mugen head gasket, thats all trash...
stock head and cams, stock headgasket, Endyne Rollerwaves 81.5mm high compression pistons , SMS header , FPR , cam gears , Skunk program P28,GSR throttle body and exhaust, then just tune. I've seen results of 196whp 141ftlb with that setup minus SMS header, JDM 4-1 instead. Keep it simple.
[Modified by i 4, 9:52 AM 6/27/2002]
stock head and cams, stock headgasket, Endyne Rollerwaves 81.5mm high compression pistons , SMS header , FPR , cam gears , Skunk program P28,GSR throttle body and exhaust, then just tune. I've seen results of 196whp 141ftlb with that setup minus SMS header, JDM 4-1 instead. Keep it simple.
[Modified by i 4, 9:52 AM 6/27/2002]
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Re: All Motor Setup - pricing? (Black R)
Don't forget a good set of ARP Head Studs... at about a buck and a quarter...
wtf do you need arp studs for? what's wrong with stock?
Somebody give me some reasons why allmotor is better on a b18c5 than b00st...
So far all I'm hearing is "it just is." Wow, how enlightening.
Chris, either way you're gonna end up spending let's say $5k. For that price you can get ctr pistons, lumpy cams (toda b, c, or jun3), p&p head, stronger timing belt, hondata stage 2, cam gears, valve springs, retainers... maybe a j&s, diy o2, and egt... This will give you 200-210whp...
OR
You could get a drag 3 kit on a groupbuy or on sale from importparts.com for say $2500... Add another $1k in little things you need to get rid of the piggyback stuff, and still get hondata stage 2b, 440cc injectors, j&s, diy o2, and egt... With 6-8lbs of boost (which is possible with hondata), you'll be making 240-280whp.
Now somebody making all these objections to turbo please tell me why. Why is it you say the compression is too high? Too high for what? Too high to make power? Look up.
[Modified by Black R, 12:12 AM 6/28/2002]
wtf do you need arp studs for? what's wrong with stock?
Somebody give me some reasons why allmotor is better on a b18c5 than b00st...
So far all I'm hearing is "it just is." Wow, how enlightening.
Chris, either way you're gonna end up spending let's say $5k. For that price you can get ctr pistons, lumpy cams (toda b, c, or jun3), p&p head, stronger timing belt, hondata stage 2, cam gears, valve springs, retainers... maybe a j&s, diy o2, and egt... This will give you 200-210whp...
OR
You could get a drag 3 kit on a groupbuy or on sale from importparts.com for say $2500... Add another $1k in little things you need to get rid of the piggyback stuff, and still get hondata stage 2b, 440cc injectors, j&s, diy o2, and egt... With 6-8lbs of boost (which is possible with hondata), you'll be making 240-280whp.
Now somebody making all these objections to turbo please tell me why. Why is it you say the compression is too high? Too high for what? Too high to make power? Look up.
[Modified by Black R, 12:12 AM 6/28/2002]
ctr pistons - $300
P&P - $800(port flow)
Chipped out ECU - $300
Apexi Vtec Controller - $350
Clutch & flywheel - $600
Jdm 4-1 Header - $350
maybe a little bit more $2500, but ur looking at around $3500 considereing the block assembly
You don't need no big "LUMPY" cams to make power, if he keeps his stock cams with that setup I've seen 212WHP/140Tq, of course that is extensive tuning, but have the reliability, of stock parts. AND I PUT MONEY ON IT, that u will run the same time as the person running "LIGHT" boost.......
ITS NOT ABOUT MAKING POWER, its about being to utilize the power u have.
AND YOU'LL HAVE MORE RELIABILITY THAN A TURBO.....
nick
[Modified by BeastyITR, 1:54 AM 6/28/2002]