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4-2-1 header vs. 4-1 header (need to know he differences)

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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:36 PM
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Default 4-2-1 header vs. 4-1 header (need to know he differences)

what are the differences between these 2 types of headers?
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:53 PM
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well you know more about it than i do lol oh well if they hammer you gave me my answer thx
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 09:28 PM
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I second that...
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 03:23 AM
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Default Re: 4-2-1 header vs. 4-1 header (MetalKill)

4-1 = is good for more high end torque
4-2-1 = good for low end torque
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 06:18 AM
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4-1 = is good for more high end torque
4-2-1 = good for low end torque

perfect example
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 06:20 AM
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well you know more about it than i do lol oh well if they hammer you gave me my answer thx
what rudy told you was also true. Just more technical.
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 07:45 AM
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Well.... the 4-1 doesnt always have to have the highest end HP. Companies are now making "Stepped" 4-2-1 headers (like Toda) that provide an increase throughout the entire powerband like the classic 4-2-1 header by using stepped tubing and keeping the primary/secondary's lengths long, while incorporating charecteristics of a 4-1 header (example: having the collector size large enough for peak horsepower gains equivalent to a 4-1) Just go with a hybrid-type 4-2-1 header yO


[Modified by ivanED9, 4:51 PM 7/1/2002]
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 08:23 AM
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4-1 = is good for more high end torque
4-2-1 = good for low end torque
SPOON 4-1 which is actually more of a 4-2-1 gets the best of both world and mad high end

can't wait to put mine on. still sitting in my closet awaiting testpipe and type one b-pipe
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 08:38 AM
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Default Re: 4-2-1 header vs. 4-1 header (EbboyPSi)

power aside, here's 2 other things to think about.

clearance: 4-1's have a much larger collector than a 4-2-1 and in turn, it hangs much lower. Pretty much everyone I know around here (NYC) who had a 4-1 has crushed the collector.

maintence: if you're removing the tranny, it's nice to be able to just remove the downpipe on a 4-2-1 instead of having to remove the entire header as you would with a 4-1. Cut's at least an hour off a clutch job.
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 07:09 PM
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SOUND. From my experience with DC 4-2-1 and DC 4-1, the 4-1 brings out the raspiness or tinniness (are these even words? hehe) from my exhaust. My Tanabe RM went from mean and low to a weed wacker on steroids. The 4-2-1 isn't as bad.

As for the power characteristics I would agree with whatever has been said in the above replies.
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Old Jul 1, 2002 | 08:33 PM
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The importbuilders modded JG header is nice, still 4-2-1 but with a 2.5" collector.
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Old Jul 2, 2002 | 06:46 AM
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Cut's at least an hour off a clutch job.
danm.. really?? I just got a 4-1 installed a couple weeks ago and now a clutch is going in next week.. had of known, I would've waited and had both installed at the same time....
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Old Jul 2, 2002 | 09:14 AM
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The importbuilders modded JG header is nice, still 4-2-1 but with a 2.5" collector.
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Old Jul 2, 2002 | 09:16 AM
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This is where I got mine

http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/header2.html

fortunately I didnt pay anywhere near that price!
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Old Jul 2, 2002 | 12:59 PM
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http://www.importbuilders.com bolt on section, more power then hype r headers
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