What do you guys think, to boost GS-Rs or add all the little mods and go all motor.
What's your guys' opinions and why?

Modded correctly, what would win?
A boosted GS-R...or a modded GS-R?

Would people want the satisfaction of beating a boosted car, with just a modded one?

 

lol
In my opinion, if I wasnt boosting Id just buy a v8 or something thats faster then a lil v4 out of the box
I dont think a lot of members will like that question

 

Yeah, turboteg has it right. I mean, although there are some pretty bad *** 250whp N/A Hondas, you can't get too much crazy power for crazy cheap out of a V4. I say boost it. Boosted gsr's are pretty gnarly.

 

i just like turbo.. more power for the right price...

 

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In my opinion, if I wasnt boosting Id just buy a v8 or something thats faster then a lil v4 out of the box</TD></TR></TABLE>

You have all those performance modifications done to your integra yet you don't even know what kind of engine it has??

OP- Boosted will yield far greater power numbers for the money. It will cost a good deal of money for a good turbo set up at first (anywhere from 3k-4k) but if done properly it can be reliable and much faster than most all motor set ups out there.


PS... For future reference you can just say boost vs all motor of naturally aspirated (NA). Saying boosted vs. modded is kind of confusing.

 

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In my opinion, if I wasnt boosting Id just buy a v8 or something thats faster then a lil v4 out of the box
I dont think a lot of members will like that question </TD></TR></TABLE>

v4???? i think you guys mean I4....

 

wtf is a v4? Honda made those?

FI or NA for a gsr...

You'd be incredibly lucky if you could make 200whp N/A with "simple mods" on a stock internal b18c1, and on 10psi from a turbo you'd be making around 300whp depending on the setup and the tune.

 

boost&gt;NA anyday. the pros of boost totally outweigh the pros in an NA setup. Its cheaper, more power can be made, and just as reliable as a NA setup. boost FTMFW!!!

 

an NA set up is always pretty sweet...but like everyone else says...boost produces more ponies for fewer washingtons...i wouldn't say one is better than the other..it just depends on what kinda goals and what budget you're on....also...personal prefrence..some dudes love NA..,others love boost....

 

Boost all the way for me...i love the power and for the price, you CAN'T beat it

 

Assuming you had a 5K $ budget and could get a good tune for either setup, boost will get you the most BANG for your BUCK. NA is more for those who got something to prove and want bragging rights of spanking a v6 or v8 in an all motor I4 (NOT V4)

 

the only way i would ever have a nice NA setup with cams, etc. would be if i had a completely gutted hatch with only a dash and front seats. Those little hatches that are all motor are fast f'n cars and would be fun to drive around town with, although they arent very practical since they dont have all the luxury's i.e. heat, ac, ps etc.

 

n/a is best!

But boost is clearly superior, I just like n/a because I'm an all-motor guy.

 

I've never seen a topic like this before. Mods should sticky it.

 

well for me I really like the idea of all motor NA for the B/D series. Boosting it, of course it has more power for you...but regardless I still stick with the idea of a NA setup...even though I probably won't go anywhere, haha.

 

Vrrroooom, psshhhttt!

 

I will say this: i like the idea of an all motor Honda, but i dont see it being very practical unless its an F20c or a crazy K24/K20a setup. Those are the only 2 i'd even consider building NA....i'm hooked on boost. For the money you spend on a good all-motor build, you could have way more power from a nice turbo setup.

 

You damn turbo people...I will never go turbo...NEVER!!
:::Must Not...Give...IN!!!:::

 

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Lets think about this on a purely economic standpoint...

NA Build

High comp pistons and eagle rods w/ bearings--$829
ARP headstuds--$119
Cometic HG--$60
RC440cc injectors--$250
Hondata S200--$695
Tuning--$400
Good Intake manifold (edelbrock or equivalent)--$250
Good header and exhaust--$800
Lumpy-*** NA cams and adj cam gears--$800 (guess)
Port and Polish + built head--$1500
clutch and lightweight fly--$500

My guess-timated total = $6203 and you'll net around 250-260whp from a B series on a good day


Turbo setup...my personal setup

SLS shorty/dp/dump combo--$795
GT3255b .63ar--$750 (with coating)
RC550cc injectors--$200
Tial wg and bov--$420
IC piping--$150
Intercooler--$200
HP Racing IM--$200
3" SS exhaust--$225 (thanks Matt )
Clutch--$295
Tuning--$400
Crome chipped ECU and harness--$275

I know i forgot some stuff, but its looking around the $5k range and that's sitting at 315/216 on my GSR...toss another $1500 on top and you can make 420whp (limited by the turbo (and injectors obviously))

Its your call from there, but i know what i would and did pick....

 

i love both but ive had boosted and na setups, na is more reliable,while turbo isnt, i might go turbo too soon but wont keep it too long its true you make more power but isnt as safe and as reliable as NA

 

Its only as reliable as you make it...if you want to half-*** anything, it can be unreliable. If you build a good setup with a good tune and know your limits, you wont have any problems. Too often, ignorant people build and quickly blow up their setups...then complain about the fact that it blew up. Those people stain the idea of turboing for everyone since its "unreliable." The fact is, i've had a turbo GSR as my DD for 2 years and i have yet to have any sort of problems that were attributed to the turbo setup other than the occassional set of fouled plugs.

 

my bro built an NA motor pushing 210hp to wheels back a while ago and he spent like 2 grand or 2,500 i think, so i think your way off on the pricing there, heck for 6k i rather go k20

 

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My pricing may be way off, but the fact of the matter is: for the same amount of money as an NA build, you can have more power (while maintaining reliability) with a turbo setup. It comes down to preference

 

O god, not another one of these threads....

Refer to this thread: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2078575

This question is along the same lines as:

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

 

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agreed