**IMPORTANT** Proposed Miami Legislation
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**IMPORTANT** Proposed Miami Legislation
Taken from another forum:
"Whether you admit it to yourself or not one thing is for certain, we bikers are a minority group and are treated as such. We are ignored by drivers who seem quite indifferent towards our very existence and yet authorities on the other hand are hypersensitive to it. Despite all the horrendous drivers all around them once a police officer sees a motorcycle he just cant seem to ignore it, it is in fact a basic human psychology, because it is quite different from what he/she is normally seeing, you are the black sheep. I have been followed by Police while riding through a town and despite the fact that I obeyed the speed limit, as i aways do through a residential area (and all other laws) I have been pulled over for just being in "their town" on a motorcycle. So when I read this article it was quite disturbing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...iami/
Consider that all it would take is one angry/unfair/bigoted officer to take away our love, our passion for TEN years if we lived in Miami. We are a small group and as such an easy target for people in politics and law enforcement to make as some sort of scape goat for the larger problems they maybe trying to cover up or ignore (a common political tactic in this world). So I realize that most of us including myself are not from Miami and may never even go anywhere near there, however just like many things if they can do it in Miami without much resistance it may become something that is used in other places for all the wrong reasons. So take a moment and write to the representatives in Miami and let them know you will boycott their city. http://www.miamigov.com/City_Officials/"
"Whether you admit it to yourself or not one thing is for certain, we bikers are a minority group and are treated as such. We are ignored by drivers who seem quite indifferent towards our very existence and yet authorities on the other hand are hypersensitive to it. Despite all the horrendous drivers all around them once a police officer sees a motorcycle he just cant seem to ignore it, it is in fact a basic human psychology, because it is quite different from what he/she is normally seeing, you are the black sheep. I have been followed by Police while riding through a town and despite the fact that I obeyed the speed limit, as i aways do through a residential area (and all other laws) I have been pulled over for just being in "their town" on a motorcycle. So when I read this article it was quite disturbing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...iami/
Consider that all it would take is one angry/unfair/bigoted officer to take away our love, our passion for TEN years if we lived in Miami. We are a small group and as such an easy target for people in politics and law enforcement to make as some sort of scape goat for the larger problems they maybe trying to cover up or ignore (a common political tactic in this world). So I realize that most of us including myself are not from Miami and may never even go anywhere near there, however just like many things if they can do it in Miami without much resistance it may become something that is used in other places for all the wrong reasons. So take a moment and write to the representatives in Miami and let them know you will boycott their city. http://www.miamigov.com/City_Officials/"
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Re: **IMPORTANT** Proposed Miami Legislation (Dunc)
Here is the response I just sent the Mayor of Miami:
"Dear Mr. Diaz,
I have recently become aware of a pending legislative matter in Miami. This is in regards to the to proposed ten year suspension of a persons motorcycle license and mandatory jail time if the accused person is found to be “stunt riding”, excessively speeding, or with a non-visible license plate. As both a motorcycle and car enthusiast, my attention was easily captured. I agree that people who participate in these activities should be punished. They should be punished accordingly to fit the crime. I have learned the hard way that in traffic court, a person is "guilty until proven innocent," and it is extremely difficult to have a judge rule against the police officer. I was wrongful giving a speeding ticket in Georgia, and as such I was forced to take it to court because I knew I was innocent. I was able to prove to the judge that the officer lied about my speed. As a result, I will never again spend a dime in that city. I even have a difficult time justifying any sort of purchases within the entire state of Georgia. Until that day I believed whole-heartedly in the judicial system. After that day, I have realized that there are deficiencies with the current method of traffic enforcement. There are no checks and balances in place to prevent a rogue officer from taking out his/her bad day on an innocent person. I agree that jail time and/or a suspension is a fair punishment if the person is operating in a dangerous way. However this proposed punishment is out of control and is singling out motorcycle riders specifically. If a person speeding in a car is found guilty, the court is not going to sanction a 10 year license suspension. That is an unjust punishment and would immediately cause strong resistance from drivers everywhere.
There are people with multiple DUI's and they still have their license. If I were driving down a road, I would much rather have a motorcycle pop a wheelie for a short time since they are concerned about not getting hit by a car. On the other hand, the drunk driver has a severe limitation on sensing danger and does not care. This proposed law is only trying to find a scapegoat as well as trying to eliminate motorcycles from sharing the roadways. Its purpose is to portray riders as being dangerous when there are far greater dangers to the other users of the road.
Again, a suspension is fair but the length of that suspension, without a doubt, needs to be adjusted. The law needs to fairly apply the same punishments to a motorcycle rider as a car driver. This is the unbiased and right thing to do.
I am going to continue to follow this issue, and many others will as well throughout the nation. As much as someone may want to think, this is not simply a local issue to Miami. If this unjust legislation is left unchecked then it will spread to other states. If it came to my home state, I would never again vote for that individual for any elected position in government. I will also join the boycott of the city of Miami in this grossly unjust legislation passes. I am only one of a much larger crowd consisting of both motorcycle riders as well as other car enthusiasts since we all have an interest at stake with this issue.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Brian Duncan"
"Dear Mr. Diaz,
I have recently become aware of a pending legislative matter in Miami. This is in regards to the to proposed ten year suspension of a persons motorcycle license and mandatory jail time if the accused person is found to be “stunt riding”, excessively speeding, or with a non-visible license plate. As both a motorcycle and car enthusiast, my attention was easily captured. I agree that people who participate in these activities should be punished. They should be punished accordingly to fit the crime. I have learned the hard way that in traffic court, a person is "guilty until proven innocent," and it is extremely difficult to have a judge rule against the police officer. I was wrongful giving a speeding ticket in Georgia, and as such I was forced to take it to court because I knew I was innocent. I was able to prove to the judge that the officer lied about my speed. As a result, I will never again spend a dime in that city. I even have a difficult time justifying any sort of purchases within the entire state of Georgia. Until that day I believed whole-heartedly in the judicial system. After that day, I have realized that there are deficiencies with the current method of traffic enforcement. There are no checks and balances in place to prevent a rogue officer from taking out his/her bad day on an innocent person. I agree that jail time and/or a suspension is a fair punishment if the person is operating in a dangerous way. However this proposed punishment is out of control and is singling out motorcycle riders specifically. If a person speeding in a car is found guilty, the court is not going to sanction a 10 year license suspension. That is an unjust punishment and would immediately cause strong resistance from drivers everywhere.
There are people with multiple DUI's and they still have their license. If I were driving down a road, I would much rather have a motorcycle pop a wheelie for a short time since they are concerned about not getting hit by a car. On the other hand, the drunk driver has a severe limitation on sensing danger and does not care. This proposed law is only trying to find a scapegoat as well as trying to eliminate motorcycles from sharing the roadways. Its purpose is to portray riders as being dangerous when there are far greater dangers to the other users of the road.
Again, a suspension is fair but the length of that suspension, without a doubt, needs to be adjusted. The law needs to fairly apply the same punishments to a motorcycle rider as a car driver. This is the unbiased and right thing to do.
I am going to continue to follow this issue, and many others will as well throughout the nation. As much as someone may want to think, this is not simply a local issue to Miami. If this unjust legislation is left unchecked then it will spread to other states. If it came to my home state, I would never again vote for that individual for any elected position in government. I will also join the boycott of the city of Miami in this grossly unjust legislation passes. I am only one of a much larger crowd consisting of both motorcycle riders as well as other car enthusiasts since we all have an interest at stake with this issue.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Brian Duncan"
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should have proofread before you sent that 
But I totally feel you there. Its a slippery slope to tread on, and ultimately the riders out there simply do not have the same footprint as cagers... life as a rider would be much worse if a city, especially one the size of Miami, was allowed to set precedence like this
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But I totally feel you there. Its a slippery slope to tread on, and ultimately the riders out there simply do not have the same footprint as cagers... life as a rider would be much worse if a city, especially one the size of Miami, was allowed to set precedence like this
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so they will give you a suspended license for 20 years for a hidden plate ?
The stunting on the street and wreckless driving yeah hit em hard cause they make the rest of the riders all look bad !
The stunting on the street and wreckless driving yeah hit em hard cause they make the rest of the riders all look bad !
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by youradhere »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">should have proofread before you sent that
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Things like this just **** me the expletive off. It's a bunch of drama in the political offices. Where are the mistakes that I missed?
EDIT: Crap I see one haha... "giving" should be given.
Oh well, it was a graded thing or anything, he's only a mayor.
Modified by Dunc at 9:54 PM 11/29/2007
for playing an active part</TD></TR></TABLE>Things like this just **** me the expletive off. It's a bunch of drama in the political offices. Where are the mistakes that I missed?
EDIT: Crap I see one haha... "giving" should be given.
Oh well, it was a graded thing or anything, he's only a mayor.Modified by Dunc at 9:54 PM 11/29/2007
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i didnt see any typos. for using complete sentinces and punctuation. kinda makes me wish id paid more attention in english class, but my real english/typing class in life was starcraft.
not to get off topic... the link from autoblog doesnt work for me, just comes up a bunch of banner adds but no actual article that i can distinguish.
(edit) i found it at the bottom http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...miami/
(edit again) and people who live in miami: just DONT DO THIS! its stupid behavior that sparks this kind of
noone anywhere should be doing this sort of thing on public streets. and if noone broke the law (as if thats ever gonna happen) they wouldnt need to even consider this.
for using complete sentinces and punctuation. kinda makes me wish id paid more attention in english class, but my real english/typing class in life was starcraft.not to get off topic... the link from autoblog doesnt work for me, just comes up a bunch of banner adds but no actual article that i can distinguish.
(edit) i found it at the bottom http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1...miami/
(edit again) and people who live in miami: just DONT DO THIS! its stupid behavior that sparks this kind of
noone anywhere should be doing this sort of thing on public streets. and if noone broke the law (as if thats ever gonna happen) they wouldnt need to even consider this.
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Re: **IMPORTANT** Proposed Miami Legislation (Dunc)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dunc »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I were driving down a road, I would much rather have a motorcycle pop a wheelie for a short time since they are concerned about not getting hit by a car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a no-no. By including that, you pretty much made yourself look like a wheelie-popping fool to any anti-motorcycle crusader who may read it, regardless of how well-behaved a rider you may be. To someone who doesn't know any better, it's just a poor justification attempt against their apparent zero-tolerance policy for wheelies.
If you send out any more of those letters to politicians, change that section.
I thought the rest of the letter was good though. I especially liked the mention of singling out motorcycle riders for unjust punishment - that's an important point.
That's a no-no. By including that, you pretty much made yourself look like a wheelie-popping fool to any anti-motorcycle crusader who may read it, regardless of how well-behaved a rider you may be. To someone who doesn't know any better, it's just a poor justification attempt against their apparent zero-tolerance policy for wheelies.
If you send out any more of those letters to politicians, change that section.
I thought the rest of the letter was good though. I especially liked the mention of singling out motorcycle riders for unjust punishment - that's an important point.
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and wrongful should be wrongfully
No sense worrying about it now though
I'm not sure if this is 100% relevant, but experience has shown that you will command much more respect and receive much more attention when you sign your name with the prefix Dr.
This might only apply to my field (healthcare), but even when writing about legislation that barely touches base on the governing of the healthcare industry, anecdotally, we've gotten many more responses by signing Dr. in front of our names (phd or not)
Even when writing about rezoning the voting districts in my area, there is a better response when doctors write in...
No sense worrying about it now though
I'm not sure if this is 100% relevant, but experience has shown that you will command much more respect and receive much more attention when you sign your name with the prefix Dr.
This might only apply to my field (healthcare), but even when writing about legislation that barely touches base on the governing of the healthcare industry, anecdotally, we've gotten many more responses by signing Dr. in front of our names (phd or not
)Even when writing about rezoning the voting districts in my area, there is a better response when doctors write in...
remind me never to go through miami with the busa... Its visible but kinda hidden
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by youradhere »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This might only apply to my field (healthcare), but even when writing about legislation that barely touches base on the governing of the healthcare industry, anecdotally, we've gotten many more responses by signing Dr. in front of our names (phd or not )</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well there's one problem with that idea....I'm not going to lie. I'll liking be going after the masters so I'll just attach that once I get it.
)</TD></TR></TABLE>Well there's one problem with that idea....I'm not going to lie. I'll liking be going after the masters so I'll just attach that once I get it.