Ok, I felt the need to post…and no one else has tried this manifold on a nonVTEC B-series that I’m aware of.

Yesterday, the wonderful doods at FedEx dropped off my new Edelbrock Performer X intake manifold ($325 shipped from Rouge Works). I also picked up a 68mm P.P. throttle body and Skunk2 adjustable cam gears from local shop RMS.

Now the Performer doesn’t exactly match up to the gasket, it’s off a bit in a few areas (although, it should bolt up to the head just fine according to said AutoZone gasket…).

I’ll post pics after work today, so be patient. Also, the install so far is scheduled to go down this weekend.

My current setup and most recent dyno are here:https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1884634

Times are as follows: (Some terrible driving done by me…)

60' ... 2.406
330 ... 6.468
1/8 ... 9.831
MPH ... 74.63
1000 ... 12.729
1/4 ... 15.173
MPH ... 91.36

 

look forward to seeing the results.

Good luck!

 

Yeah!


Booooo!

 

Will try and see if I have better luck with an OEM gasket today.

 

Hmm...no better with an OEM gasket...but how bad can it be?

 

Those are good enough, compare the gasket aginst the head and you will see the gasket ports are larger than the head. My problem was maily due to a head that was ported as large as the gasket.

The main problem with these manifolds are the machine work, the holes are drilled off center. If your concerned it takes about 20 min to clean it up nicely.
Edelbrock was no help with this matter. Even though they have employees who post on the board...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Natural Aspirations &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are good enough, compare the gasket aginst the head and you will see the gasket ports are larger than the head. My problem was maily due to a head that was ported as large as the gasket.

The main problem with these manifolds are the machine work, the holes are drilled off center. If your concerned it takes about 20 min to clean it up nicely.
Edelbrock was no help with this matter. Even though they have employees who post on the board...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool, thanks for the input.
I probably won't really worry about it then, I didn't think about the fact that you all probably had some head work done. I'll compare the gasket to the spare P75 head I have in the garage somewhere tomorrow.


Modified by b20sedan at 7:34 AM 12/2/2007

 

Well, the Performer X has been installed (done by Shift Fast here in AZ).
The cars running ok, no noticeable gains though; if anything the car seems a little sluggish everywhere. Although, I'm assuming it's because the car is in need of some tuning... ?

BearsEK-Kingmotorsports dyno test of the Performer X on a 2.0L was a certainly disappointing...I’m hoping that my nonVTEC B20Z won’t have similar results. I was expecting something more along the lines of MikeySpec’s dyno results and Modified’s.

With that being said, I have a nonVTEC B20Z on stock compression with Crower 403 cams, would the manifold selection be more accurate by using results from a 1.8L GSR or a B20VTEC/84mm GSR? I was initially assuming the 1.8L GSR because the my car’s in the 145-150 hp range, closer than your typical 2.0L VTEC. Or would the displacement of the engine be a more accurate indication of what manifold (whether intake or exhaust) to use?

Help.

 

I think you just need higher compression for the full use of those 403 cams + Performer X IM to overall bring in and burn more air. As of this stock compression, your better off with the stock (LS) IM, cus your losing some torque and gaining a lil bit of top end, but not much.. that's why your car feels slower.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trooper0641 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you just need higher compression for the full use of those 403 cams + Performer X IM to overall bring in and burn more air. As of this stock compression, your better off with the stock (LS) IM, cus your losing some torque and gaining a lil bit of top end, but not much.. that's why your car feels slower. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, I think the compression isn’t a huge problem, after all these are only 403’s. There meant to be used on stock compression B18B’s and my B20Z has slightly higher compression than them already. I’m really thinking (and hoping) that it’s just in need of some tuning. I’m planning on rolling out to the dyno end of the month and switching over to Neptune.

 

Check out this thread that b19coupe did himself on a all motor non vtec setup. In the thread there are comparisons between different intake manifolds that are being used similar to your setup (Blox vs LS vs modified GSR). I hope you can find your answer there.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1765855

 

any updates on the dyno?

 

Before and after the install of the Performer X intake manifold and 68mm throttle body from Professional Products, car was also retuned for the new mods (using the base Neptune EMS). No port matching was done (my mistake I should have taken the time to do so…the Performer X only has a 66mm opening and my TB was a 68).

 

Here’s a cleaner shot of the bay too.

 

So the gaines posted above were simply from adding the TB and IM correct?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So the gaines posted above were simply from adding the TB and IM correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct, naturally though the car was re-tuned also though.

 

thanks a lot man....this is the first non-vtec comparison

 

what did you put down before the retune?

im surprized to see it kill the ls manifold between 3K and 5K rpm


Modified by m_kluch at 8:08 PM 1/22/2008

 

20whp with a manifold and re-tune that is really impressive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m_kluch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what did you put down before the retune?

im surprized to see it kill the ls manifold between 3K and 5K rpm

Modified by m_kluch at 8:08 PM 1/22/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>

I put down about 143 whp on the same dyno about a year ago. Yeah the midrange is quite noticeable, I wish it translated to better track times but my driving is steadily getting worse (not the car's fault).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">20whp with a manifold and re-tune that is really impressive. </TD></TR></TABLE>

where are you getting 20whp from?

 

yeah from the graph it looks to be a 10hp gain at the most

 

no i mean what did you put down with the new manifold and tb before you tuned it again.
also, do you think the results will be similar in a b18b?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m_kluch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no i mean what did you put down with the new manifold and tb before you tuned it again.
also, do you think the results will be similar in a b18b? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it was at 140 on the initial run. Yeah, I think you’ll have similar results with a B18B, as long as you’ve got cams and a good tune.

 

Good stuff. Thanks for posting up your results!