soo i baught my 02 ep3 last january in Mankato MN and we had just found out from our new insurance agent that the dealers had withheld a 9k dollar damage taht had happened to this car in 2004 i am wondering if i can go after teh dealer and have something happen becuase this completley depreciates the value of my car they sold me the car as a clean title but its actually a salvage does anyone know what can happen of this situation????

 

My friend had this exact same problem with his car! If was sold fraudulently then there is a chance you can force them to buy the car back for what you bought it for. I am not sure on the exact details on it but it was something along those lines. He fought it in court for almost a year though and ended up just selling the car to someone else. Good luck and seek professional help asap... i.e. a lawyer!

 

You didn't Carfax?

 

wow that sux. def use carfax

 

uh... I'd seek a consumer lawyer ASAP!

 

no the thing is the dealer showed us a carfax report and it wasn't present it is believed to have been something hidden direct they ahd shown us a carfax report and it said the title was clean

 

you need to seak a layer right now like first thing in the morning.. contact the BBB to see if ahything liek this has happened from them before hen report your problem. you local government office might also be able to help you since its fraud.

 

good morning you should be calling that lawyer right now

 

well u can contact consumers affair from which ever state ur in or u have have a lawyer (which i say is much better) to write a letter to the attorney general if ur not the first person to complain they will take action or u may go to the dealer ask them for an explanation or u'll contact the attorney general, in NY that happened alot but if u go to an attorney n scare them they are sappose to give u a FULL refund on the car.

but didn't u look at the car fax?

 

+ 1 for the carfax, you learn from your mistakes. but i would say 100% you got yourself a winner.

 

Why ask this on a Honda forum? You're going to get 5 different opinons that mean nothing unless the poster was in the situation or a lawyer. When you're talking thousands of dollars, talk to your lawyer, not Honda-Tech.

 

report them to the bureau of automotive repair...duh sue their ***! they are in huge trouble!

 

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maybe cause their happens to be knowledgeable ppl on here

yea go talk to a lawyer best thing u could do

 

Dealerships are responsible for disclosing anything 'wrong' with the vehicle before it is sold. Yes, you can take the dealership to court.

I work for a used car dealership and we make customers sign a form listing anything that is not stock on the vehicle, such as intake, exhaust, rims, and tires.

 

to the people that say he needed to look at the carfax.. the dealership showed him a carfax thats was wrong and thats why hes claming fraud. so he did look at the carfax

 

Let's start w/the question you asked: Is this fraud?

First, you need to pull out the original bill of sale you were given. Read it carefully, front (likely where you and the seller signed it) and back. I guarantee you it says something very specific about the "conditions of sale" and includes a generic statement about the vehicle condition known to the seller at the time of sale, and includes a statement about "warranties of mechantability". The latter is a legal term (obviously) regarding the seller's obligations to you when he sold you the car. What does it say?

Now examine the title. What does it say regarding the condition of the car?

In both instances, you need to determine whether the seller disclosed the condition of the vehicle when he sold it, and if so, whether he sold it "as is."

You don't need a lawyer to do this for you.

Ok, let's assume the BoS and the title are silent regarding the condition of the car and there are no statements on either about an "as is" sale.

Now it's time to go back to the seller and talk to him. Tell him what you've learned and show him the documentation you have. I assume you don't want the car, so tell him that and ask for your money back. Don't assume he defrauded you. He, too, may be a victim of the person who sold him the car.

If he refuses to take the car back, now you have to determine what remedies your state law provides. It's very easy to find out. Do a google search. Your state's consumer's affairs office can assist you. Be prepared to spend some time on the phone, but this is not a difficult problem to resolve. (Yes, you can pay a lawyer to do this, but it's expensive and unnecessary.) It will get a bit more complicated if you learn that the seller thought the car was undamaged when it sold to you, but this too is something you can sort through and resolve on your own.

Ultimately what you are trying to do is get your state government's assistance to compel the seller to unwind your sale by placing his retail license at stake. As others have suggested, you can get a lawyer to sue the seller, but unless the lawyer you find is your uncle who's doing it for free, the lawyer's fee -- to do what you can do -- is going to be roughly a third of what he recovers on your behalf.

Let me know what you find out.





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Modified by Mechanic at 1:42 PM 11/22/2007

 

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Yeah, you just have to sift through all the unknowledgeable garbage to find it. Talk to a lawyer. /thread

 

We ended up talking to a lawyer but we also had called honda america's corporate office and they are taking care of this situation it sounds like i will probably get a full money refund to what i had initially paid

 

so you are keeping the car but they are refunding you the rest of whatever it is they refund? If so.. man you got lucky but screwed but lucky if you know what i mean. Screwed first but came out on top. cool stuff man. At least you wont have a bigger loan now if they allow you to keep the car and the bank (if you have a loan on it) allows you to keep it. I don't know what they would do but keep us informed i'm curious.