Shit like this is why I hate Ducati as a company
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**** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ducati has backed down from demands that British Superbike Series rules allow 1200cc versions of the 1098 to run racing pistons, according to series sources. The series has already given the Ducati V-Twins a 200cc displacement break for 2008 compared to the current 1000cc displacement rules applying to four-cylinder and twin-cylinder machines alike.
Prior to an agreement reached last week between the Italian manufacturer and BSB officials, Ducati spokesman had insisted that the 1098 be allowed to run racing pistons in addition to the displacement advantage and stated that if racing pistons were not legalized, the company would no longer participate in the series. BSB rules are being significantly tightened as part of a worldwide trend toward slowing down Superbikes in National Series to reduce costs and avoid obsoleting racetracks, and will require stock pistons.
Ducati has said that its return to the AMA Superbike series hinges on the AMA allowing the 1098 to run racing pistons in addition to a 200cc displacement advantage, which is unlikely. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sheesh. I've come to like ducatis more and more but **** they're they're a bunch of ******* whiners.
I still think it's **** that WSB allowed the displacement increase. Not sure what happened with them and racing pistons. I think they're allowed but there's weight requirements. Now don't get me wrong, I love the bikes that are now coming out as a result of the rule change but Ducati almost won the championship on a bike they said couldn't be competitive anymore. They bitch and moan cause they dominated for years when the series had no factory support and had displacement differences for the i4's and v-twins. They've tried the displacement differences before and the twins dominated. Hopefully the additional rules for the twins keep things competitive. Either that or Honda comes back with a new twin to bitch smack ducati around with again.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ducati has backed down from demands that British Superbike Series rules allow 1200cc versions of the 1098 to run racing pistons, according to series sources. The series has already given the Ducati V-Twins a 200cc displacement break for 2008 compared to the current 1000cc displacement rules applying to four-cylinder and twin-cylinder machines alike.
Prior to an agreement reached last week between the Italian manufacturer and BSB officials, Ducati spokesman had insisted that the 1098 be allowed to run racing pistons in addition to the displacement advantage and stated that if racing pistons were not legalized, the company would no longer participate in the series. BSB rules are being significantly tightened as part of a worldwide trend toward slowing down Superbikes in National Series to reduce costs and avoid obsoleting racetracks, and will require stock pistons.
Ducati has said that its return to the AMA Superbike series hinges on the AMA allowing the 1098 to run racing pistons in addition to a 200cc displacement advantage, which is unlikely. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sheesh. I've come to like ducatis more and more but **** they're they're a bunch of ******* whiners.
I still think it's **** that WSB allowed the displacement increase. Not sure what happened with them and racing pistons. I think they're allowed but there's weight requirements. Now don't get me wrong, I love the bikes that are now coming out as a result of the rule change but Ducati almost won the championship on a bike they said couldn't be competitive anymore. They bitch and moan cause they dominated for years when the series had no factory support and had displacement differences for the i4's and v-twins. They've tried the displacement differences before and the twins dominated. Hopefully the additional rules for the twins keep things competitive. Either that or Honda comes back with a new twin to bitch smack ducati around with again.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (EngineNoO9)
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Sheesh. I've come to like ducatis more and more but **** they're they're a bunch of ******* whiners. </TD></TR></TABLE>
They're italian, that's why.
A la FIArrari F1.
Sheesh. I've come to like ducatis more and more but **** they're they're a bunch of ******* whiners.
</TD></TR></TABLE>They're italian, that's why.
A la FIArrari F1.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (Starscream)
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They're italian, that's why.
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Watch it buddy. I know people
Yeah it is ******* ****. Ducati pisses me off. Like said above they were competitive on the 999. The 1200 would probably crush people anyway, never mind with other special mods.
They're italian, that's why.
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Watch it buddy. I know people
Yeah it is ******* ****. Ducati pisses me off. Like said above they were competitive on the 999. The 1200 would probably crush people anyway, never mind with other special mods.
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+1 specially for motogp
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Ban the midgets too.
Ban the midgets too.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (EngineNoO9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sheesh. I've come to like ducatis more and more but **** they're they're a bunch of ******* whiners.
I still think it's **** that WSB allowed the displacement increase.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You need to look at the whole picture, not the displacement. Currently, the ducatis (well anyone with a 1000cc twin) are allowed more modifications than the inline 4's, and the weights are different. The ducati engines are also at the ragged edge, with engine cases only going a few sessions on track before getting tossed. They've been reliable but have a pretty short lifespan on components - thats not cost effective racing and Ducati is only true factory team in WSBK so their results should come at no surprise. If you'd watched the WSBK races this year you'd see how hard Bayliss was riding (and often crashing) trying to stay at the sharp end of the field.
Going to 1200cc, they're levelling the rules so that engine prep for twins and linline 4's will be the same, and twins need to run a higher weight and run intake restrictors.
Look at the whole picture, not just the displacement increase.
I still think it's **** that WSB allowed the displacement increase.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You need to look at the whole picture, not the displacement. Currently, the ducatis (well anyone with a 1000cc twin) are allowed more modifications than the inline 4's, and the weights are different. The ducati engines are also at the ragged edge, with engine cases only going a few sessions on track before getting tossed. They've been reliable but have a pretty short lifespan on components - thats not cost effective racing and Ducati is only true factory team in WSBK so their results should come at no surprise. If you'd watched the WSBK races this year you'd see how hard Bayliss was riding (and often crashing) trying to stay at the sharp end of the field.
Going to 1200cc, they're levelling the rules so that engine prep for twins and linline 4's will be the same, and twins need to run a higher weight and run intake restrictors.
Look at the whole picture, not just the displacement increase.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (EngineNoO9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EngineNoO9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm more referring to the part where Ducati threatened to leave if they didn't get the displacement increase. </TD></TR></TABLE>
When did that happen? Its not in the article you linked, and I never heard anything like that in the racing news circles.
The only "threat" they had to leave was that they would have nothing to race if the displacement rules werent changed. They're in the business of selling motorcycles, not racing, and the 1098 is what is moving bikes off the showroom. The displacement increase was brought forth as a rules request, and approved by the other teams. Its not like they just whined until they got what they wanted. IMO, WSBK has just as much to lose by Ducati not racing in the series as well.
When did that happen? Its not in the article you linked, and I never heard anything like that in the racing news circles.
The only "threat" they had to leave was that they would have nothing to race if the displacement rules werent changed. They're in the business of selling motorcycles, not racing, and the 1098 is what is moving bikes off the showroom. The displacement increase was brought forth as a rules request, and approved by the other teams. Its not like they just whined until they got what they wanted. IMO, WSBK has just as much to lose by Ducati not racing in the series as well.
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I'm confused, how is Ducati not supposed to use race pistons if they don't make a 1200cc bike.
Unless WSBK is already considering the new 1098r which isn't in production yet.
Unless WSBK is already considering the new 1098r which isn't in production yet.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (98JDM_Type_R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98JDM_Type_R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Unless WSBK is already considering the new 1098r which isn't in production yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its already approved - Ducati just needs to build enough of them to meet the homologation requirements. There should be at least 4, if not 6 on the grid next year
Its already approved - Ducati just needs to build enough of them to meet the homologation requirements. There should be at least 4, if not 6 on the grid next year
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Why is it FIM or AMA's problem that Dupati wants to run a vtwin? The class is 1000cc. If you want to build a single cylinder or a freakin v8, who cares. It's still a 1000cc class.
This is exactly how 2 strokes became obsolete in AMA.
This is exactly how 2 strokes became obsolete in AMA.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lube »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why is it FIM or AMA's problem that Dupati wants to run a vtwin? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you want to see the same cookie-cutter bikes out there everywhere? I sure dont.
Anyone else want to join the "flying off the handle" party?
Do you want to see the same cookie-cutter bikes out there everywhere? I sure dont.
Anyone else want to join the "flying off the handle" party?
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Do you want to see the same cookie-cutter bikes out there everywhere? I sure dont.
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Yeah, I do, because it cuts out the bullshit of trying to make up for a specific bike's weakness. If your bike isn't competitive as it sits, either lobby for a new a class or build a cookie-cutter, as you like to call it. Whatever the case, it is never the sanctioning bodys problem to make a subpar bike competitive.
Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't all the bikes in MotoGP run the same minimum weight and same max displacement with no restrictors on the engine, regardless of engine configuration?
Do you want to see the same cookie-cutter bikes out there everywhere? I sure dont.
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Yeah, I do, because it cuts out the bullshit of trying to make up for a specific bike's weakness. If your bike isn't competitive as it sits, either lobby for a new a class or build a cookie-cutter, as you like to call it. Whatever the case, it is never the sanctioning bodys problem to make a subpar bike competitive.
Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't all the bikes in MotoGP run the same minimum weight and same max displacement with no restrictors on the engine, regardless of engine configuration?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lube »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but don't all the bikes in MotoGP run the same minimum weight and same max displacement with no restrictors on the engine, regardless of engine configuration?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same displacement, but the bike can run at different weights depending on the number of cylinders (3, 4, or 5).
All of you guys whining about the extra displacement are forgetting (or never knew?) that the current bike prep rules arent the same now, a change to 1200cc isnt really any different.
Same displacement, but the bike can run at different weights depending on the number of cylinders (3, 4, or 5).
All of you guys whining about the extra displacement are forgetting (or never knew?) that the current bike prep rules arent the same now, a change to 1200cc isnt really any different.
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Re: **** like this is why I hate Ducati as a company (ScareyH22A)
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Tis true!!! My last fight I put eye drops into mah opponents wat3r.
Tis true!!! My last fight I put eye drops into mah opponents wat3r.
