I installed a new timing belt with h23 manual tensioner. I got the belt on and rotated the crank counterclockwise about 3-4 cam teeth and it tightenup up on the exhaust side but between the water pump and intake cam gear there is a good amount of slack and when the motor runs the belt is flopping everywhere. Did i do something wrong or does it normally move like that ?

 

Did you adjust the tensioner so the slack come out. What you should do when you put the belt on turn the engine over by hand and adjust the tensioner when you get slack. Why did you move the crank a few teeth to get the belt on? Better check and make sure your at TDC on cams and Crank or your going to have more problem than just the belt tensioner.

 

no to tension it i moved it

 

Well I did mine today with the manual tensinor, and that mother effer is on there tighter than virgins ****. Probally to tight.

 

To put the belt on you need to adjust the tensioner all the way down so that you have enough slack to get then belt on. Then you need to loosen it to get the right tension on the belts then tighten it to tq specs.

 

did that and its too loose ? I have no idea, it went on and it was damm hard to get on, now its tight as hell on the front side by between the water pump and intake cam gear its loose. I have no idea why. And then tensioner is torqued to spec.

Maybe i installed the h23 tensioner improperly. There should only be the one spring correct ? This is with the balance shafts removed. Any pics ?

 

Mabey you got the wrong size belt. I just did my manual conversion and I had to install the belt first then install the manual tensinor. That **** is tight as hell. Did the balance belt as well.

Here are some pics of what it should look like. I took these pics before I reajusted my balancer belt, hope this helps

 

well I have a belt for an h22a4 isnt that the correct belt ? Or do you run a different belt with the h23 tensioner conversion ?

 

Ive been told to use the H23 belt. I just used the H22a.

 

well the belt is the same for the 4th and 5th gen. So if anyone with either model has done the conversion let me know. According to those pics it seems everything was done correctly.

 

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Do not use the H23 belt use the H23 tensioner related items that's about it. Keep your H22 crankgear, waterpump and cams gears. With an H22 T-belt

 

Have you ever done a timing belt before? I don't see why you're having so much trouble. It installs just like an H23 timing belt. Follow the tensioning procedure for the H23 timing belt, and you're set.

Like md23vtec said, use the H22 belt.

It won't be that difficult to install if you don't use the L-bracket that's used to lock the tensioner in place. Just don't install that part, and use two shorter bolts in place, since those bolts go through the oil pump and into the block.

 

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You need to make sure you have the oil pump properly installed. I see one missing bolt. Is the other one that goes on the L-bracket missing too?

 

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You need to make sure you have the oil pump properly installed. I see one missing bolt. Is the other one that goes on the L-bracket missing too?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ahh good eye The L bracket is missing all together now that I look at it. Along with the balancer marks thats are miss aligned.

 

Can you circle the missing bolt, cause I even had a buddie go over it with me. Although The balancer shaft belt was adjusted after the photo was taken

 

I installed 1 belt with that L-bracket. Never again. It's not needed, and when you remove it and replace the bolts with shorter bolts, you can get a LOT more slack on the belt which makes it tons easier to install.

 

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Eh I use the L bracket . All personal preferance I guess. My one buddy hates it on his h22/h23's like you do.

 

Which one is the L bracket

 

It helps if you look at the right diagram.

#20 (see how it's shaped like an L? ):

 

How does the bracket make it easier ?

My issue isnt getting the belt its it seems loose and im doing everything that ppl are mentioning

 

LOL.. Ah yes that thing. Its not needed is it? Everything is bolted on there it should be fine right? That L braket helt on the automatic tensinor right

 

Just an observation. Do both of you reply without thinking, or are you really this clueless?

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My issue isnt getting the belt its it seems loose and im doing everything that ppl are mentioning </TD></TR></TABLE>

I said removing or not installing the L-bracket makes the timing belt installation easier on a manual tensioner conversion because you can get more slack on the belt.

As for your timing belt tensioning question, I believe I answered that. I've done 4 or 5 manual tensioner installs without issue. If you believe that yours does not have enough tension, then add a little tension by hand. If it whines or makes a funny noise, you know it's too tight. What do you do then??? You retension the belt with less tension!!

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Did you read this?

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Do you see the autotensioner in the diagram with the L-bracket?


Modified by 117 at 7:48 AM 11/12/2007

 

A little of both <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just an observation. Do both of you reply without thinking, or are you really this clueless?

Modified by 117 at 7:48 AM 11/12/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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Seems to be a little more of the latter.

 

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Modified by 117 at 7:48 AM 11/12/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes!