Ok fellas.. as if I haven't had enough issue with this MF'ing car... I'm not dripping oil, but I am burning it like crazy. I just put almost two quarts into my R. Also on the inside of my exhaust at the end has heavy black soot type stuff (yet another indicator of burning oil).

How do you determine what the cause of this is? (rings? what else could it be?) sorry... i'm not completely motor savy. I am just so upset over this whole car thing, I seriously don't even know what to do anymore. I feel like I am putting so much into this car and not gaining a got damn thing in return

Any advice/input would be greatly appreciated.

-Ashley

 

Have you done a leakdown and/or compression test on the motor? That would be the first thing I would do.

Stock ECU?

 

Welcome to the club Ash, my car does the same thing. It's run looking at the different spatters of black soot behind my car when I start her up in the morning, it's starting to form a piece of art on my garage floor.

Have you run compression/leak down?

It's time to freshen your caR up.

PM'd.

 

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the previous owner did but obviously now i dont even trust his numbers. i guess i should get that done first.

and yes, stock ecu

 

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my car does this too, but its not oil related. its simply condensation and carbon buildup getting spit out while the hot exhaust gases get pushed through the cold exhaust piping. i get a little puddle of water in the muffler tip. if you drive the car while its doing this, you are going to get those black soot marks on the bumper. after it warms up, it goes away.

ash as mentioned, get a new leakdown/compression test to help narrow some things down.

 

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my car does this too, but its not oil related. its simply condensation and carbon buildup getting spit out while the hot exhaust gases get pushed through the cold exhaust piping. i get a little puddle of water in the muffler tip. if you drive the car while its doing this, you are going to get those black soot marks on the bumper. after it warms up, it goes away.

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I think that's what mine is doing because I don't burn that much oil, I just leave about 30 sec after I start the car

 

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I generally wait to drive my car until the pistons stop slapping

 

How long do you usually wait? Since I dd, sometimes I just don't have time and just get in and go, I was told by the time you get in and back up out of your driveway you should be ok as long as you are babying it

 

I let my caR warm up for about 5-10 minutes before driving it, but I still get the crap on my bumper. Which leads me to believe it's burning off at WOT at high RPM. It's whatever, it's getting rebuilt here soon anyway.

 

Its probably piston rings. Mine got to using 1 quart for about 150miles. I just put in new rings and haven't burned a drop in about 300miles. No crazy VTEC exploits yet, but no black soot either.

 

mine is doing this too. did a compression test, went off the gauge on all 4 cylinders. no blue smoke until i give a massive V-ATTACK, none on startup


just accepted that the oil control rings aren't at their best and will keep putting oil in it until i decide to do a bottom end rebuild

 

What did you pay for replacing the piston rings and such? Im burning so much oil its not even funny. I think the car needs to be "refreshed" like someone stated earlier. Whats all involved in that? Tia

 

valve seals anyone, also check your PCV valve...neither was mentioned yet...

 

As everyone has already stated, the first thing that would be logical is do a leak down and compression test. You'll eliminate a lot of options pretty quick with solid results there. If not solid, then please give us feedback to assist you with the next steps you should take.

 

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The cost of rings/bearings, head gasket, oilpan/valve cover seals, coolant, oil and Honda-bond..etc.

Remove the cylinder head, pop out the pistons, check all your specs,
re-ring them, pop them back in.


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I had these replaced at an earlier time and it did nothing. The PCV could cause the oil loss in some cases though. After doing these things it was narrowed down to the pistion rings.

 

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I'd like to hear the answer to this, too. Including not just the cost of parts, but also how much labor is involved. (Remember, some of us don't do extensive work on our own cars, for all kinds of legitimate reasons - please don't go there.)

I realize that a compression/leakdown test is the first step. What are the most common findings? How do these relate to the need for replacing piston rings? And how much does it typically cost to fix all of this?

Note - I'm not having drastic oil consumption on my ITR. The problem I'm currently having is on the GS-R with 170K miles; it had steadily been consuming one quart every 1100 miles, but a few months ago started consuming one quart every 500 miles. There are no oil puddles underneath where the car is usually parked.

 

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I'd like to hear the answer to this, too. Including not just the cost of parts, but also how much labor is involved. (Remember, some of us don't do extensive work on our own cars, for all kinds of legitimate reasons - please don't go there.)

I realize that a compression/leakdown test is the first step. What are the most common findings? How do these relate to the need for replacing piston rings? And how much does it typically cost to fix all of this?

Note - I'm not having drastic oil consumption on my ITR. The problem I'm currently having is on the GS-R with 170K miles; it had steadily been consuming one quart every 1100 miles, but a few months ago started consuming one quart every 500 miles. There are no oil puddles underneath where the car is usually parked.
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I had quotes from various places. $3000 seems to be the norm. Parts and labor.

 

Glad to hear I'm not the only R owner burning oil.

I'm just dropping my caR off to REDLINE Speed Shop, and they're doing everything. Gave me a great OTD price.

 

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Which is why I mentioned a leakdown test

 

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I'm just dropping my caR off to REDLINE Speed Shop, and they're doing everything. Gave me a great OTD price.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In all honesty this seems like a good plan. The work I did is basically to hold it over until I can get a new block, or have the current one built.

 

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You can add a lot of oil for a lot less money...

 

valve seals have been replaced, PCV valve replaced, catch tank added


the only thing left are the oil rings

 

just a suggestion, mine will start getting that soot on the back of the car when the weather changes like this. I was told to reset the ecu and see what happens. I did that and the back bumper stopped becoming black. Not sure if it would help or not but its worth a try.

 

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You can add a lot of oil for a lot less money...
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I did that for a couple years. I probably spent close to 3k in oil. Once I got a house with a garage and a daily driver I figured it was time to do the rebuild. Next time remind me not to start working on it in the summer. Lots of down time when it was beautiful outside.

 

Could be cracked valve guide, poor valve seal, rings, etc.