the azenis tire...
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Re: the azenis tire... (VTEC_PRODUCTION)
they are the most cost affective tire for performance and still considered a street tire in solo/autox
there are alot better tires for straight drag, but these are great for handling
there are alot better tires for straight drag, but these are great for handling
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Re: the azenis tire... (VTEC_PRODUCTION)
the pickings are going to be slim and expensive, i suggest getting some seperate wheels, if its just drag then get a set of 13 or 14" Venso LPD's, if its for autox then get a set of 15's
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theyre awesome street tires but they arent any drag radials.
Good for the summer but put them away during winter. They probably wouldnt last by the time the next summer comes around again.
Good for the summer but put them away during winter. They probably wouldnt last by the time the next summer comes around again.
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yes they are last i checked theyre the #1 rated street tire for autox
yes they are last i checked theyre the #1 rated street tire for autox
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I have the Azenis RT-615s on a 215/45/16 on my gs-r. They're awesome tires for road course type driving but as many said, they definately aren't drag radials. There's no reason these tires won't last through the winter as well. If you are in mild climates and rain here and there, you will just be driving slower, thus putting less wear on the tires anyway. I have only had my tires a month or so, but 2 weeks out of that was rainy weather in Northern Cali. They don't do too awful bad in mild rain. At the same time though, I wouldn't attempt to drive as I do in the clear.
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They offer great performance but I would never describe them as "cost effective" - LOL!!!
The Falken Azenis RT-615 offers excellent traction on dry pavement in moderate to warm temperatures. That makes them great as a dual-purpose street and autocross/roadracing tire. Downsides include so-so traction in rain (worse than most other street tires, doesn't mean you can't drive in rain, you'll just have to slow down as noted above), and rapid treadwear (10-12K miles is typical, compared with 25-40K miles for most other summer tires, so you'll be buying sets 2-3 times as often - not exactly "cost effective"
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Drag radials are really designed for straight-line traction (at the dragstrip) and not for cornering, whereas the Azenis is more of a cornering/handling tire (although it can still do reasonably well at the dragstrip). Drag radials wear even faster than the Azenis.
In California? Sure. In Chicago? No way!
Summer tires (not just the Azenis, but ALL summer tires) are generally a bad idea for anywhere that experiences significant amounts of snow and below-freezing temperatures. Many of us that live in such places have an extra set of wheels for winter tires in winter, and use summer tires the other three seasons. If you have to use the same tires year round, in snow and frigid cold as well as warmer weather, you can get all-season tires, but they are a compromise (less performance in winter than winter tires, less performance the rest of the year than summer tires).
Just to re-iterate the Integra tire advice I often post:
The Falken Azenis RT-615 offers excellent traction on dry pavement in moderate to warm temperatures. That makes them great as a dual-purpose street and autocross/roadracing tire. Downsides include so-so traction in rain (worse than most other street tires, doesn't mean you can't drive in rain, you'll just have to slow down as noted above), and rapid treadwear (10-12K miles is typical, compared with 25-40K miles for most other summer tires, so you'll be buying sets 2-3 times as often - not exactly "cost effective"
).Drag radials are really designed for straight-line traction (at the dragstrip) and not for cornering, whereas the Azenis is more of a cornering/handling tire (although it can still do reasonably well at the dragstrip). Drag radials wear even faster than the Azenis.
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There's no reason these tires won't last through the winter as well.
Summer tires (not just the Azenis, but ALL summer tires) are generally a bad idea for anywhere that experiences significant amounts of snow and below-freezing temperatures. Many of us that live in such places have an extra set of wheels for winter tires in winter, and use summer tires the other three seasons. If you have to use the same tires year round, in snow and frigid cold as well as warmer weather, you can get all-season tires, but they are a compromise (less performance in winter than winter tires, less performance the rest of the year than summer tires).
Just to re-iterate the Integra tire advice I often post:
Originally Posted by nsxtasy
Roughly 90 percent of the time, people fall into one of the following three categories:
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT and the Avon Tech M500, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT and the Avon Tech M500, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
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find a cheaper tire that performs as well as the RT-615 for autox...
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find a cheaper tire that performs as well as the RT-615 for autox...
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my first set was the st 615 which were good in the dry but suked in the rain
Now im on my second set of rt-615's.... which handle really good in warm conditions. Once the tires are warmed up!!!!!!!!! you will feel like spiderman...
I thought i was invincible when i first got them. Then the nite before thanksgiving last year I spun out.... I couldnt believe that ****...
I took a u turn on the on ramp getting on the 210 freeway,( i had crappy suspension at the time), and my tires made no noise at all. The next thing you know... the back gave out.... i tried to counter steer and the next thing you know Ihave my car is sitting on the freeway curb...
It felt like this all happend in 5 seconds.
My advise is to warm up the tires before u try to do crazy ****... And only do what you car can handle...
Ive learned that you can be a excellent driver, but your car can only do so much... you need the right parts in order to do certain things....
lesson learned...
Now im on my second set of rt-615's.... which handle really good in warm conditions. Once the tires are warmed up!!!!!!!!! you will feel like spiderman...
I thought i was invincible when i first got them. Then the nite before thanksgiving last year I spun out.... I couldnt believe that ****...
I took a u turn on the on ramp getting on the 210 freeway,( i had crappy suspension at the time), and my tires made no noise at all. The next thing you know... the back gave out.... i tried to counter steer and the next thing you know Ihave my car is sitting on the freeway curb...
It felt like this all happend in 5 seconds.
My advise is to warm up the tires before u try to do crazy ****... And only do what you car can handle...
Ive learned that you can be a excellent driver, but your car can only do so much... you need the right parts in order to do certain things....
lesson learned...
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He was referring to how long the tread lasts on the Azenis. Yes, they are the best bang for the buck in terms of Cost-Performance, but if you're looking for a tire that'll have more than 10k treadlife, you might want to search somewhere else.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NAmodified »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my first set was the st 615 which were good in the dry but suked in the rain
Now im on my second set of rt-615's.... which handle really good in warm conditions. Once the tires are warmed up!!!!!!!!! you will feel like spiderman...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you probably mean that your first set was the RT-215, not the ST-615.
Falken has made three tires (at least, three that I know of) with the Azenis name. The RT-615 is their current tire, designed to optimize dry traction. The RT-215 was its predecessor, and was replaced by the RT-615 in their lineup. They also used to sell a tire called the Azenis ST-115, which was a mediocre, undistinguished summer tire.
RT-615:
RT-215:
ST-115:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Adambomb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He was referring to how long the tread lasts on the Azenis.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, exactly. For example, you can compare the Azenis ($90 in 215/45-16) with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (Goodyear's top-of-the-line summer tire, excellent in both wet and dry conditions, $126 after rebate in 205/45-16) or the Kumho SPT (Kumho's budget performance summer tire, $81 in 205/45-16). With the same usage for all tires - for example, street driving for 30-36K miles - you'll need to go through three sets of the Azenis (total cost $1380, including $50 shipping and $50 mounting/installation per set) or you could just buy one set of the F1 GS-D3 ($604) or one set of the SPT ($420). I would pick the Azenis for autocrossing, too, but in comparison with other tires, I would never refer to a tire that costs 2-3 times more than others (on a dollars-per-mile basis) as "cost effective". LOL!
Now im on my second set of rt-615's.... which handle really good in warm conditions. Once the tires are warmed up!!!!!!!!! you will feel like spiderman...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you probably mean that your first set was the RT-215, not the ST-615.
Falken has made three tires (at least, three that I know of) with the Azenis name. The RT-615 is their current tire, designed to optimize dry traction. The RT-215 was its predecessor, and was replaced by the RT-615 in their lineup. They also used to sell a tire called the Azenis ST-115, which was a mediocre, undistinguished summer tire.
RT-615:
RT-215:
ST-115:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Adambomb »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He was referring to how long the tread lasts on the Azenis.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, exactly. For example, you can compare the Azenis ($90 in 215/45-16) with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (Goodyear's top-of-the-line summer tire, excellent in both wet and dry conditions, $126 after rebate in 205/45-16) or the Kumho SPT (Kumho's budget performance summer tire, $81 in 205/45-16). With the same usage for all tires - for example, street driving for 30-36K miles - you'll need to go through three sets of the Azenis (total cost $1380, including $50 shipping and $50 mounting/installation per set) or you could just buy one set of the F1 GS-D3 ($604) or one set of the SPT ($420). I would pick the Azenis for autocrossing, too, but in comparison with other tires, I would never refer to a tire that costs 2-3 times more than others (on a dollars-per-mile basis) as "cost effective". LOL!
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Nsxtasy your summary of the type of people that buy tires is pretty dead on. I fall under the second catogory. I drive hard. All the time. I buy a set of azenis every year. I've rocked Azenis for over 4 years. They are the perfect tire for me..but not for every one.
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my first set was the 215's on some polished slips for my hatch. i like the way they performed but i think that the 615 is more of a street tire and the 215 was more like a DRAG RADIAL. but now im on 615's for my DA, i still haven't got a chance to put them to a real test. but i know FALKEN wont let me down they are still the only tires ill buy.
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615's are simply the best, sure they wear out fast, but as for a "performance" tire, you can't get anything better for the price, soooo much grip in the turns & very predictable. I'm on my 4th set of 615's. they tend to last me about 13-14months on my weekend fun car
buy them cheap from vulcantire.com or citytireonline.com I've ordered tires from both places & they are very fast about shipping & VERY cheap.
buy them cheap from vulcantire.com or citytireonline.com I've ordered tires from both places & they are very fast about shipping & VERY cheap.
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That's correct.
Two other places that sell Falkens are Discount Tire and Edge Racing.
When comparing prices, make sure you compare the bottom line; for example, Discount Tire offers free shipping, whereas most places charge $9-12/tire for shipping.
That's correct.
Two other places that sell Falkens are Discount Tire and Edge Racing.
When comparing prices, make sure you compare the bottom line; for example, Discount Tire offers free shipping, whereas most places charge $9-12/tire for shipping.
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I think you probably mean that your first set was the RT-215, not the ST-615.
Falken has made three tires (at least, three that I know of) with the Azenis name. The RT-615 is their current tire, designed to optimize dry traction. The RT-215 was its predecessor, and was replaced by the RT-615 in their lineup. They also used to sell a tire called the Azenis ST-115, which was a mediocre, undistinguished summer tire.
RT-615:
RT-215:
ST-115:
Yes, exactly. For example, you can compare the Azenis ($90 in 215/45-16) with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (Goodyear's top-of-the-line summer tire, excellent in both wet and dry conditions, $126 after rebate in 205/45-16) or the Kumho SPT (Kumho's budget performance summer tire, $81 in 205/45-16). With the same usage for all tires - for example, street driving for 30-36K miles - you'll need to go through three sets of the Azenis (total cost $1380, including $50 shipping and $50 mounting/installation per set) or you could just buy one set of the F1 GS-D3 ($604) or one set of the SPT ($420). I would pick the Azenis for autocrossing, too, but in comparison with other tires, I would never refer to a tire that costs 2-3 times more than others (on a dollars-per-mile basis) as "cost effective". LOL!
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yea i ment rt 215... haha... what the hell was i thinkin...
I think you probably mean that your first set was the RT-215, not the ST-615.
Falken has made three tires (at least, three that I know of) with the Azenis name. The RT-615 is their current tire, designed to optimize dry traction. The RT-215 was its predecessor, and was replaced by the RT-615 in their lineup. They also used to sell a tire called the Azenis ST-115, which was a mediocre, undistinguished summer tire.
RT-615:
RT-215:
ST-115:
Yes, exactly. For example, you can compare the Azenis ($90 in 215/45-16) with the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (Goodyear's top-of-the-line summer tire, excellent in both wet and dry conditions, $126 after rebate in 205/45-16) or the Kumho SPT (Kumho's budget performance summer tire, $81 in 205/45-16). With the same usage for all tires - for example, street driving for 30-36K miles - you'll need to go through three sets of the Azenis (total cost $1380, including $50 shipping and $50 mounting/installation per set) or you could just buy one set of the F1 GS-D3 ($604) or one set of the SPT ($420). I would pick the Azenis for autocrossing, too, but in comparison with other tires, I would never refer to a tire that costs 2-3 times more than others (on a dollars-per-mile basis) as "cost effective". LOL!
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yea i ment rt 215... haha... what the hell was i thinkin...
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