1992 Honda Accord LX, manual 5spd, 230k


I was slowing down at a right turn, braked hard and I killed the engine. When I started it back up, I everything felt fine EXCEPT no gears would engage. I had to get a friend to push me through the intersection into a parking lot, the car is still there

Things I noticed:

- I can shift gear with/without clutch, regardless of the engine running
- When shifting to reverse, I hear a small whine like the reverse spur gears are almost meshing
- When revving while in gear, I see my speedometer go up (I got to about 25MPH in second gear, all while the the car is sitting still.
- Clutch doesn't sink to floor (feels normal), shifter feels normal.

I'd guess this has to do with the master/slave cylinder. Where are they located? I see something at the top of this picture (not mine)
http://i191.photobucket.com/al...1.jpg

Which one is that, and where can I find the other cylinder?

I'll be taking a look at it later tonight and if you have any suggestions that would be great

 

what u are seeing in that pic is a master cylinder for the brakes and not the clutch.
this is the best pic i had, i can take another one for you tommrw of the slave cylinder but if u look straight down roughly right where the upper radiator hose is u can see the slave cylinder mounted on the tranny and the hydraulic line going to it. The master cylinder in these cars are a PAIN IN THE A$$ to replace. but up in the upper right hand corner next to larger resvoir is ur master cylinder for the clutch. GL and let us know what it is ... my guess is the slave cylinder. easy way to tell if the master is bad is to look inside ur car by the pedals and look for any hydraulic oil. but i think its the part u cant see (slave cylinder). o ! and also there is a small line in between the master and the slave thats rubber. (most of the line is the metal excpt for a small approx 1ft long portion) that i haighly reccomnd changing to a stainless steel braided line. GL and let us know what the fix ended up being

 

Thanks, I'll check the floorboard.

Do the brakes and clutch share the same fluid? I noticed above the brake master cyl there are two fill spouts, a large one, and a smaller one. Which is which? (I'm going to guess the smaller one goes to the clutch)

My next question - what are the chances that the clutch or part of it (pressure plate etc) is simply worn out? I'd guess that I would notice some sort of warning sign like gear grinding beforehand.

 

yes the smaller one is for the clutch and its dot 3 fluid needed. its possible it could be the clutch, just depends on the past maint.

sorry for the first reply it was quick and not to helpful taking a second look, im at work and its hard to take time to read throughly sometimes, i overlooked where you posted that everything felt fine. im guessing u were referring to the pedal pressure ??? if the pedal pressure feels fine then its prob not the hydraulics.

things to check, if its the slave cylinder its usually pretty easy to see because its in plain sight. when i had to do mine it was def shot, and it didnt take a rocket scientist to tell. the master like i was saying will usually leak hydro oil all in the cabin by the floorboard when it goes.

if no maint has ever been performed on the clutch, most likely its time for an upgrade/replacemnt. and since ur gonna be all in the tranny id suggest suckin it up and getting the extra money for a lightnd flywheel too. im running a clutchmasters stg 3 and fidanza flywheel, kinda pricey but highly reccomend. hope this is a lil better and sorry i didnt have a chance to take a pic of the slave this morning... was running a lil late. ill do it later today though.

 

Checked the car today - master cylinder and clutch pedal look fine. The fluid in the clutch fill was full.

Tried to get the car to go somewhere, but no luck. I'll be towing it back with my dad tomorrow.


The speedo goes up when I rev the engine in gear - in neutral, no movement on the speedo.
What does this mean? A friend thinks that something could be very wrong in the tranny.

 

Towed the car home. That was fun (not)

Clutch master/slave cylinders are fine, I can see it move on the transmission.

That is not the problem.

I jacked up right side of the car, with tranny in neutral, I can spin the right wheel freely. There's a small clunking noise from the transmission. Same from the left side.
My speedo still goes up when I rev the engine in gear.

I'll be checking the tranny fluid later. Any ideas?

 

sounds like the clutch is shoot.

 

Hehe @ hondaccord

Anyway, power is getting to the speed sensor on the output shaft. By switching gears, I can rev up to the maximum speed if I was actually going that speed. This means the clutch is good.

I guess the problem is in the transmission. Both my axles turn all the way into the transmission.
If I can freewheel each wheel with the other on the ground, and there is a clanking noise. something's wrong

I'm guessing either the pinion/ring gear on output shaft, or differential. Most likely differential.

 

yep something is wrong

check engine light on ?

 

Ill bet 100 dollars that your problem lies in your axel check em most likely be your pass side axel pop it out and see if its broke or any of the splines are cracked our broke......I had the EXACT smae problems as you and it turned out to be a axel took a doo doo

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2064495

hope this fixes it good luck

 

Anyone know where the speed sensor is attached in the transmission?

I've checked the axles, from what I can see, the whole thing moves. I'll see if they're all the way in tomorrow.

Why do you think passenger side is most likely?

It's interesting because I just replaced both my cv axles about a month ago.

 

the speed sensor is just below the throttle body on the transmission.

thats great that the axles move but id pull them off the car and inspect them before you go pulling the tranny and having it rebuilt when you dont need to.

the passanger side is the drive tire on an open diff honda. sure some power makes it to the driver but most all of the power goes to that wheel.

where did you get your cv shafts from? it they are after market they probably came with a lifetime warranty which probably means that you will be spending a lifetime changing them out.

 

The driver's side intermediate axle and axle are in solid. When turned it emits a small clicking noise from the tranny.

But on the passenger side...



I don't remember it being that far out after I put the new axle in. This wheel is hard to turn... possibly the axle is causing the wheel to rub against the brake pads?

I'll see if I can push the sucker in tonight.

 

like I like honda said.......why would you think that you VSS is acting up??? because you can hit the throttle and it goes up but yourt car woont move???? did you read the link to my thread??? axels are your issue....return em for new one s anyway even if they look good....the only way to make sure is to completly remove em....

 

that axle is not in all the way. you need to pull it out and put a retainer ring on it.

 

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easier and more comferting to the mind to just get a new axel if oyu have the warranty....

 

This saga is finished - I just had to pull the axle out, and put it back in. Tamped it in with a hammer and it sits right up against the tranny case with about a few mm to spare.

Thanks guys. I'm glad this turned out so simple. It was quite a learning experience :D

 

you should replace the locks with new one

might happen again

 

told you what is was...you owe me a 100 bucks